If Padme Survived, would Vader been forced to kill her?

Was thinking, if Padme had survived RoTS, would Vader been forced by Sidious to kill her? She surely would have been a link back to Anakin, and could have brought him back, as happened with Luke?

Would it also have brought him even more into the Dark Side?

 

I don't think he would kill her, though I'm sure Palpatine would get rid of her somehow due to the following
a)Anakin turned to the darkside to save her, however mad he was at her when Obi Wan appeared, he didn't intend to kill her, 'she was alive, i felt it'.
b)He couldn't kill his son, after 20 years or so of using the darkside during which Anakin appeared to disapear, there's no way he could kill Padme, the love of his life.
c)Palpatine going kill her is going to not only make Vader question his turn to the darkside even further, but as he promised to save her Vader isn't going to go oh i turned to darkside to save her, now im dark though i dont want her
d)If anything Vader would probably dissapear with Padme, train Luke/Leia and take on the Emperor, although the Emperor would probably have the same idea.

 

I think Dark Lord mentions that it was Palpatine's hope that Anakin's actions as Darth Vader would ultimately drive Padme away forever. I think it mentioned that Palpatine believed Padme would never be able to love someone like Vader, someone who willingly murdered not only his friends and colleagues but children too.
Besides, I don't think Palpatine would be brazen enough to order Vader to kill Padme. Palpatine, if Padme had survived Mustafar, would have probably seen to her destruction and blamed it on Jedi rebels or something to that effect. Padme was a threat to the Emperor, she represented the good in Anakin and would have been a driving force in him returning to the Light Side. So, Sidious lucked out that time.

 

The ROTS novel mentions that Palpatine told Anakin that Padme would remain safe so long as she disassociated herself from certain people,specifically the delegation senators.

 

True, but that seems to be more related to a short term, political aspect. She would stay out of trouble for her political views and actions if she didn't get involved in what those rebellious senators were up to. But that would be a pretty moot point once Palpatine had his empire, so I think he knew that the greater, and more long term, threat that Padme posed was that she could act as a centering element in Anakin's life that would prevent his full immersion into the dark side. Losing her not only eliminated that centering element, but actively drove him to the dark side more.

 

Very good point. And you know Palpatine never forgives anybody. I doubt he'd forget how she "tried to go against her" with the delegation of 2000(?) or whatever it was called.

 

And you know Palpatine never forgives anybody.
Hmm, he must have forgiven the Gungans after his "wipe them out, all of them" order.

 

Before I watched ROTS, I was almost positive Vader would kill her. After I watched, I was convinced he would never be able to do that. Opposite to what most people think, I don't think his force choke was the cause of her death. I think Lucas meant literally what was in the film. She lost her will to live. And even if did cause her death, it wasn't deliberately. It was more of an accident caused by anger when he thought she plotted with Obi-wan to kill him.

I think Padmé was Vader's last link that kept him from complete darkness. When he lost her he lost everything. Only his ambition and "duty" kept him going. Until, of course, Luke appeared.

 

The Force choke was not the direct physical cause of Padme's death, but I'm sure it was one of the main things (among quite a few) that led to her losing the will to live or "dying from a broken heart". So it's ironic that Palpatine telling Vader "in your anger, it seems you killed her", while technically a lie, is also kind of true... from a certain point-of-view.

 

If it's what Palpatine believes to be the case, it's not a lie.

 

True... that could very well be the information that was relayed to him. But it's still ironic.

 

And neither does AnaVader. He didn't forget that it was Palpatine who ordered the attempts on her life. If she survived Mustafar, and he escaped it unsuited, then Sidious would've been the #1 target on AnaVader's choke-list.

 

I do not believe that Padme "lost the will to live." I think what really happened was that her body could not take the stress of childbirth combined with the stress of losing her husband to evil, and the fact that everything she fought for in her political career had been destroyed. She gave her last ounce of strength bringing Luke and Leia into the world, and then her body gave out and she died. If the medical droid had said "She's under a severe amount of physical and emotional stress, and there's nothing we can do for her." rather than "Physically she's perfectly fine, but it's as if she's lost the will to live."

Padme was a strong person, and she would not just give up because her husband broke her heart. I think she would fight till her last breath to make sure her children were safe, and I think that's what happened. Having to give birth to her twins was the straw (or more like, anvil) that broke the camel's back, but was not willing to give up on them, even if it meant she was going to die giving birth to them.

 

Eventually Vader would have come to the conculsion that Padme was a very deep threat that needed to be dealt with.

The whole concept of the dark side in the book was that a Sith had the ability to look deep into themselves and put every interest aside except for the gaining of power around yourself so that you can in theory carry out more noble goals (bringing order and justice to the Galaxy, save the one you love etc).

In the end though, Vader took things a step further, he was willing to put those noble goals on the back burner in order to more quickly gather power. So while his goal originally was to gain power to save his wife, eventually his goal was simply, gain power over himself.

We know tht Padme would have never gone along with her husbands desire to destroy Palpatine and put himself on the throne. She certainly wouldn't have been onboard with him harshly bringing order to a fractured galaxy. So he would have killed her off to protect that growth in power.

Even in the real situation where Skywalker became enslaved to Palpatine who is a master manipulater, Papatine would have found or manufactured a very real threat from Padme and his apprentice would have been forced to deal with it.


Padme was in no way a path to power, she was a roadblock. Palpatine was a path to power, and for some reason Vader trusted him.

 

I just don't see Vader forgiving Sidious for trying to kill Padme over the last 12 years.
If she lived, he has no need for Sidious... with the Jedi wiped out, he has access to the holocrons that he was forbidden to see.

 

But as far as he knows, it was Nute Gunray who was ordering Padme killed, not Palps...

and he already dealt with him...

 

That isn't really true.

Vader may have saved Gunray for last, but the novels (ROTS/ DarkLord) made it clear that Vader was very much aware of Sidious' involvement in plots against Padme's life. In fact, one of the authors went to great lengths to spell out that Vader only whacked the Jedi because "they would never understand his reasoning". Not because he was loyal to the Sith or to Palpatine...

 

I'm not sure that mattered to Vader all that much. He knew that Palpatine lied all along that he was a Sith Lord, he was probably aware of how deceptive Palpatine was. However to Vader, Palpatine was his path to ultimate power, he was willing to forgive Palpatines sins and warts because Anakin wanted to eventually be where his master was. So he had to get along to move along, but he probably reasoned that he would eventually kill his master and besides gaining power he would gain a measure of revenge.

Padme would never represent a path to anything to Vader, she couldn't teach him about power, she couldn't help him gain power. In fact in Vader's mind, she was eventually going to be an obstacle that would need to be moved.

Vader didn't give a second thought when he chocked her out. His regret came later when he realized that he had lost everything. But he was sure willing to act on his first instinct.

 

In the original-turn, unlimited power was the impetus for Anakin's fall to the dark side. In the final state of the turn, Padme is the sole impetus for his decision to align with Palpatine. As such; and still living, the need for Palpatine's promise of power becomes greatly diminished...

Anakin was loyal to people, not ideals... and Palpatine wasn't loyal to his wife.

 

Except the Vader that we saw wasn't exactly loyal to people.

Palpatine, the man who was "like a father to him", that promised him that he would teach him how to atain power. Yet Vader was already set on killing him off.

Kenobi - His best friend in the world, somebody that he had saved hundreds of times, yet Vader was willing to attack him with little reason, and less proof.

His Wife - Even in the book when he met her after the turn he saw her as small and almost a possession, he had earned her. His loyalty to her didn't last wrong.

any imperial officer that pissed him off. Usually good leaders have loyalty to their people, Vader really didn't

It goes to show though that Anakin and Vader were two completely different people.

 

I doubt Vader cared about being called a good leader.
"Asteroids do not concern me Admiral..." Vader was all about results.
And, it wasn't like Imperial Officers were ignorant of the consequences for failing to meet his expectations.

The issues I have in this thread, are with the turn and the suit...
not the actual topic.

Padme alive + no suit = dead Palpatine
Padme alive + suit = Sidious would be forced to destroy them both

 

Yeah. Point taken, "from a certain point of view".

 

I think Vader pre suit was far more ambitious and aggressive then Vader post suit. I'd assume that he would have disposed of Padme as soon as she'd had her children. she would have definately been a fly in the ointment which was his plan to take over the galaxy.

I think Vader in the suit even if he hand't killed his wife was more easily influenced. Palpatine took advantage of his questionable state. His son manipulated the crap out of him. With Padme alive all Palpatine would have to do would be to manufacture some evidence that showed Padme was a threat to democracy and Vader would have "obeyed" his master.

 

This is exactly what I think.

 

I'm sure Palpatine had foreseen that Anakin would either kill Padme, either Padme would not care about him after he turned to the dark side. Padme visiting him on Mustafar was part of the plan, but a surviving Kenobi was not.