If Palpatine wants to destroy the Jedi Order why not just execute Order 66 during AOTC?

Palpatine is determined to destroy the Jedi Order and let the Sith Lords rule the galaxy so doesnt he just tell the Clone Troopers to Execute Order 66 during AOTC?Or at any point during the Clone Wars and just take over by force? even if Anakin Skywalker dies Palpatine still has Count Dooku to rule alongside of him,or Asajj Ventress who would make a fine Sith Apprentice for him.

Palpatine could have ruled the galaxy very early on, why waste years when he could have removed the Jedi Order from the galaxy at any time?stupid.

 

The Clone Wars caused the Jedi to be spread thin throughout the galaxy enabling the clones to outnumber their commanders greatly and be in a position where they only have to kill one Jedi rather than having to take on say the entire Council at once.

 

Not just that, but only 212 Jedi went to Geonosis. Order 66 would be useless as only the Jedi on Geonosis would be affected by 500,000 Clonetroopers. The other million wouldn't be ready to take out the nine thousand or so Jedi still alive.

 

Because not only was his goal to destroy the Jedi, but he needed more time to consolidate his power and have an excuse to create a larger military. The Clone Wars were the perfect excuse for both. He let the war whittle down some of the Jedi while he built up his power, then once everything was secure, execute Order 66.

 

The Clone Wars was justification for Palpatine aquiring dictatorial powers. If Palpatine executes Order 66 on Geonosis, what does that mean, extactly? He has absolutely no reason to kill Jedi. Instead, he can use the clone wars as a weapon to destroy the Jedi politically and militarly (sp). Palpatine used the clone wars as a wespon to frame the Jedi as corrupt and a reason as why the clone wars went on, and frame himself as a galactic hero, doing everything in his power to keep the Republic together. The clone wars main purpose wasn't to just to kill Jedi. It was to create circumstances that allowed Palpatine to become Emperor without debate. And of course, Palpatine wanted Anakin Skywalker. Really bad. When he had him, Order 66 was a go.

 

Yeah, Palpatine didn't want to show his hand too early. As others have mentioned, he had yet to completely consolidate his power, hadn't yet fully assembled the military that would be necessary for the "Galactic Empire" he was planning on. He wanted to kill the Jedi for sure, but he had to have certain things in place before trying it, so that he was guaranteed his plans would work. Its ironic that one of the main Jedi tenets is to teach patience...yet, who better than Palpatine understands what patience truly is? The Sith operate on impulse, anger, letting their feelings, their raw emotions fuel them...yet, it is a Sith Lord that shows true mastery of patience, not the Jedi. (unless you count Yoda and Ben waiting quietly in hiding while Luke and Leia have a chance to grow up in between the PT and OT) Palpatine bides his time, until the moment is right. Then, and only then, will he issue Order 66. ONLY when he knows he holds all the cards.

 

In AOTC he was still grooming Anakin. He didn't want to kill the Jedi until he had Anakin on his side, otherwise Anakin would probably have turned against him.

 

As many have stated in one form or another, Sidious could have called for Order 66 at any time, but the end of AOTC wasn't the right moment for him to do so. It's all about power, and Palpatine had not yet consolidated his. In act number II, he is spread a bit too thin... Dooku just brokered the deal with the Leader's of The CIS, the Jedi just discovered the clones and all the pieces; while coming together, were not in place yet.

And yes, Davi... I agree. Patience was his greatest strength, given that Sith weren't known for it. I think Sidious wanted to wait until the last minute, he wanted the Jedi (who were near their collective wits' end) to be as numb as possible. The Clone Wars de-sensitized the Jedi to a certain degree. What I mean is; after 3 years on the front lines with their troops, the Jedi weren't as sharp, or as vigilant. The Jedi trusted the clones, and that is exactly what Sidious hoped for.

 

I'm not sure how integral Anakin was to the plan, because the clonetroopers sure have an easy time taking out Jedi en mass at the Temple massacre--in fact we never even see Anakin kill a single Jedi onscreen. So even though he certainly helped, to me the impression I get is that it was just that, additional help--the order for him to go there and kill the Jedi is more of a personal trial to comit him to Palpatine. Thats the real reason he was sent there--to seal the pact with blood, because Windu was almost an involuntary emotional response.

So, as has been pointed out, its more of a numbers thing. The ratio of Jedi to troopers is too even at the start of the war, Palpatine needed to think out the Jedi ranks while building up his own.

But, having said that, I do wonder if it could have worked--after all, even if the Jedi had a good 30% of their numbers killed off, its not like their would have been four or five Jedi per clonetrooper platoon in each battle, it seems as though it was always "one Jedi--and maybe his apprentice--leads a mission with a squad of troopers." So if that is the case then the ovewhelment would have been more or less the same. I guess the main thing is that there might have been more Jedi on standby that could have regrouped and fought back.

 

Part of what makes Order 66 work, is that the Jedi aren't expecting it. They've grown to trust the Clonetroopers completely, to the point that they are good friends with them. The very idea of betrayal is the furthest thing from their thoughts. This makes it all the better when the order comes down and the Jedi are caught almost completely offguard.

 

Also, Palpatine's plan depends not only on the physical ability to destroy the Jedi (order 66), but also on the political machinations necessary to turn the Senate against the Jedi, which in turn depends on the series of manipulations that culminate in Mace Windu and the other Jedi raiding Palpatine's office and attempting to arrest him.

If Palpatine executed order 66 prematurely, the Senate would still have sympathy for the Jedi and Palpatine would have a problem on his hands if his role in the extermination of the Jedi were to be revealed. By timing it right, he made sure the Senate would not object politically to the extermination of the Jedi.

 

I have to say at the time of AOTC he was trying to seduce Anakin to his will and another thing is the clone troopers didn't have a commander at the moment except for the jedi.

 

He couldn't have been. The overall plan predates his discovery.

 

Yep, Palpatine only used him because he was the potential Sith Lord that was strongest and most readily available. I'm thinking there also may have been Palpatine attempting to control destiny believing that if he turns the Chosen One into a Sith Lord, there will be no one to stop him.

 

That is if you assume that he knew about Order 66.

 

Are you saying Palpatine may not have known about Order 66?

 

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I meant that is if you assume Palpatine knew about the prophecy.

 

Ah, that certainly makes a bit more sense.

 

He certanly does know about it, in the ROTS Novelization Palpatine tells Anakin that the Sith know about the prophecy and will not sit idly by while it comes to pass and that Anakin was the chosen one because Anakin was chosen by Palpatine to bring balance to the force, Palpatine looks very arrogant here too.

Also in the X-Box game KOTOR the Sith in their academy of on Korriban also talk about the prophecy of the Sith'ari who is a perfect being destined to bring balance to the force, but they dont belive that a Jedi can do that job at all.

 

Yeah, but that's not in the films at all.

 

Yeah but im just stating a fact thats all, a lot of movie fans have played the game after all.

 

I meant that Palpatine knew about the Chosen One prophecy. The Sith'ari was a Sith Lord who would destroy the Sith and rebuild them to be stronger than before. Balance to the Force was part of that prophecy. And it seems to point towards Bane and not Vader.

 

Because he didn't have just cause to wipe out the Jedi in AOTC. With Mace and the other Jedi's attempt to arrest him and Mace's attempt to kill him, Palpatine finally had cause to wipe out the Jedi and as shown, would not have faced opposition from the Senate or the Republic's citizens.

 

Yeah, Vader never led the Sith.

 

Palpatine knew that it wasn't the right time for Order 66 to be executed. At the time, the Senate and pretty much the whole populace had some trust still in the Jedi. he wanted to get them all turned against the jedi, so by the time that it was executed, the galaxy wouldn't care.