If Qui Gon lived, would have Anakin still turned to the Dark Side?

If Qui Gon hadn't died in TPM, would have Anakin still fallen to the Dark Side? He had a similar personality to Anakin, so maybe that would help. Perhaps Qui Gon's presence would make Anakin more reluctant to go towards Palpatine. Maybe if he hadn't died, Anakin may have stayed on the right path. Also, I'm sorry if a post like this has already been posted.

 

He had to. Or are you ignoring the OT events for this question?

 

Yes, I am. And in response to anakinfansince1983, I agree that Palpatine was a very bad influence. Anakin was almost certainly doomed from the moment Palpatine said "I'll be wathcing your career with great interest."

 

Qui-Gon was a wise teacher and he knew more so than anybody that Anakin had attachments. Had Anakin been brought up in the Jedi Temple under Qui-Gon's tutelage, then Anakin would have been permitted to go back and free Shmi. That said, it's still to hard to say because we don't know how his dreams about Padme would have influenced him. I say because of his strong attachment to her, yes, he would have still turned to the dark side.

 

I think he would have taken a different path to the same conclusion; even with Qui-Gon around, Anakin would still have ended up turning to the dark side.

 

This is "What if" and cannot be answered, changing one thing can drastically alter future events.

But I think Anakin would have fallen to the dark side in pretty much any scenario.

Even if Qui-Gon survived, even if Shmi survived, even if he didn't marry Padme, even if Palpatine was never around, etc.

Also at Qui-Gon and Anakin having similar personalities.

 

This topic has been done to death, but I'll make it quick.

Character flaws.

Add fear and stop right there.

I see him committing evil acts...

Didn't say Sith, I said dark side.

He wouldn't have been able to let his mother go, he would have done anything to "save" her, even though that's impossible. You know the rest.

This would apply to anyone he cared about deeply.

Fear
Anger
Pride and arrogance that would inevitably come with immense potential
Unwillingness to listen
Lust for power


Those are part of his core traits and it looks like a recipe for the dark side to me.

 

This.

If Qui-Gon trained Anakin instead of Obi-Wan, I think that Anakin would have had a more of a struggling time turning to the dark side, than accepting the dark side as quickly as he did in ROTS.

 

I don't think Anakin would've. When Qui Gon died, Obi Won had to take over the part of being the master and he was just freshly a padiwan. If Qui Gon was still around, he would've been able to handle Anakin a lot better.

 

Qui-Gon Jinn was a great Jedi, and a great teacher. I agree that with Qui-Gon Jinn around, Anakin would have fulfilled the prophecy a lot sooner and would have taken down Dooku and Sidious and balanced the Force. As far as his wife goes, Anakin would have let her go.

 

Once Qui-Gon - over time - started with the discipline he insisted on with Obi-Wan - EVEN if adjusted for Anakin - Anakin would still have been exploitable on some issue had Sids gotten to him.

I think the key is Sids access, not Anakin's master.

 

Depends on what angle you are coming at this from. On the surface, yes. A major part of what drove Anakin over the edge is loss (dare say abondonment?) He lost Qui-Gon, lost his mother and feared losing Padme'. Having not lost Qui-Gon would have been one less straw to break the back so to speak.

Qui-Gon would have been an excellent teacher and guide to Anakin growing up and been the mentor that he needed to guide him through the Padme' issue. I really dont think Qui-Gon would have kept him from her. He was way too much the "hippy" Jedi and the followed the living force theory. If they fell in love, it was meant to be. If you discount the OT then I feel strongly Qui-gon could have prevented this. Based on Qui-Gons rougeness and insight he may have been able to do something to stave off the purge as well. I could easily see him as that eras General Hoth if he needed to be.

 

There is no doubt the PT was written to make us think there would have been less chance of Anakin falling to the dark side if Qui Gon had mentored him.

Rather he would have kept some of his emotions in check because Qui Gon did not believe in surpressing emotion in the way most of the PT Jedi did.

Also Qui Gon believed in Anakin, something Anakin believed Obi Wan did not do.

I am no Anakin sympathiser or particularly a fan of Qui Gon but I do believe we are meant to draw the conclusion Qui Gon would have been a better teacher for Anakin.

 

So... not sure if you do agree with what I said or not. I think Anakin would still have turned, just maybe not in the same way or in the same timeframe. I agree with others who have said that as long as Palpatine was around, Anakin would end up turning.

 

I have to - well - sort of - agree and disagree. "Less" chance, perhaps. Perhaps. I think if anything the circumstances of Qui-Gon "publicly" setting Obi-Wan aside for Anakin (thus starting a chain reaction of Anakin thinking he was better than his master-to-be), Qui-Gon's death/death promise extracted from Obi-Wan (so Anakin didn't know if Obi-Wan really wanted him) AND Qui-Gon's public proclamation of Anakin as the Chosen One (PLUS PALPS, of course) were more responsible than Qui-Gon vs Obi-Wan as Anakin's master.

I think Qui-Gon's age would have possibly led to Qui-Gon being a more "capable" master to Anakin - more of a father and less of a brother vibe. It's like parents with their first kid (worrying & fussing about every little thing) to their last kid (what doesn't kill a kid strengthens him/her).

But I really can't see Qui-Gon not trying to instill a fair amount of Jedi discipline into Anakin after an initial adjustment period. He wasn't all cuddly and warm with Obi-Wan (not that he should or should not be) - he was all, still, to a padawan nearly ready to be a knight, all about respecting boundaries.

I can't see Qui-Gon reforming into a warm and cuddly, approachable, master to Anakin just to satisfy the section of fan base that seems to think he's the Force's answer to Anakin's needs.

 

Here's a flow chart of masters and padawans we see in the prequel trilogy:

Yoda --> Dooku --> Qui-Gon --> Obi-Wan --> Anakin --> Ahsoka

Notice a pattern here? I sure do - a combination of natural talent, impulsiveness, overconfidence, disobedience to authority, questionable ethics, flirtation with the dark side, and poor decision-making. Some got more extreme or had better intentions than others, but I think it's safe to say that everyone in that chain was in some way part of the problem. I don't think any of them were going to be part of the solution.

That is, by the way, over and above my position that Anakin's fall was his destiny and the will of the Force and would have happened no matter what.

 

Anakin didn't need a "warm and cuddly" Jedi Master. He needed a Jedi Master who could have helped him achieve self-realization, not transform into an "ideal" Jedi Knight, as Obi-Wan had tried. Personally, I believe that Qui-Gon had the right personality that understood this need within Anakin. Whether Anakin had remained a Jedi Knight (something I personally believe he DID NOT need in order to reach self-realization) or turned to the Dark Side, remains to be seen. Why? Because I believe there are no guarantees in life.

 

I've said this before, but the only Jedi Master that Anakin should have been given to was Mace. He was the only one badass enough to keep the phenomenally talented Anakin in line, the only one suspicious enough of him and the prophecy to not blow the abovementioned sunshine up his butt at every turn, and the only one close enough to the line between light and dark to really understand Anakin's temptations. If Mace had taken him on, then maybe - maybe - things might have turned out differently. But that wasn't Anakin's destiny.

 

I've said this before in other similar threads, but IMO to say that Anakin might not have turned if he had had Qui-Gon or another master instead of Obi-Wan does these things:

- gives too much credit to Qui-Gon (or the other master)
- gives too much credit to Anakin
- gives not enough credit to Obi-Wan
- gives not enough credit to Palpatine

 

Nobody does. People rave about Yoda and his wisdom and power, but gloss over Palpatine like he was nothing. Stop and think for a minute about the scope of Palpatine's accomplishment. Forget whether it was for good or evil, and just think about what he managed to do, and to do basically singlehandedly. He overthrew the Republic that had stood for 25,000 years. He destroyed the Jedi Order, and wiped the Jedi out almost to the last man. He brought the Jedi Chosen One over to the dark side. He came to rule the entire known galaxy. And he did all of this while only having to draw his lightsaber on one single occasion. Nobody gives Palpatine enough credit. There isn't enough credit in the galaxy to be able to match a win that epic.

 

I think I you - or at least your logic.

Also props to those who underestimate Sid's influence.

I, too, think (not know, only suspect) that had Mace been Anakin's master and established some kind of rapport with him before Sids stepped in and started to slowly twist Anakin's thinking...yeah, I can see Mace and Anakin "butting heads" while coming to an understanding.

But even that might have gone disasterously wrong with Sids intervention.

Let's face it, if Anakin had been able to see thru Sid's subtle undermining by whatever means had been instilled in him to reach that point - Sids might not have succeeded.

Sids - the ultimate "con man."

Anakin was too quick to accept Sid's jabs and sly digs because they reinforced his ego, regardless of reason why this was so.