If R2D2 had stayed with Anakin (Vader) would the empire have won?

If this thread isn't worthy please lock. I was wondering what y'alls thought on this subject was. Some of our fellow fans refer to R2 as nothing more than a toaster. Wish I had a toaster like that. But for real,R2 had done so much I wonder if he had stayed with Vader what wouldn't have taken place. Who he wouldn't be able to save and how that would change things. Thanks,

 

I don't think he could significantly change anything if he would've stayed with Anakin/Vader. Also, R2 was so aligned with the good side that I don't think R2 would have gone down that path. Through our viewing of R2's adventures, he was always doing either the morally right, or heroic thing. For whatever influence R2 had in a given senario, it was always positive one. So if anything, if R2 would have decided to stay with Anakin/Vader, he would have played as Vader concience, always creating doubt in his mind. So maybe the more appropriate title to this thread would be "If R2 sided with Vader, could he eventually help redeem him?"

 

Mesa don't think so for some reason. R2 would have been a painful reminder. And when Vader found out about his son, he'd most likely ask R2 waht had happened. R2 would probably tell him and Anakin would of turned back to the light...and we'd have no saga!

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Every other astro droid either got blasted off the hull of the ship, zapped by robots or just went putzing around with bad motivators.

I think Vader abandoning R2D2 has just as much significance as the commander who choses not to fire on the escape pod because there were no life signs on board.

 

Even if R2 didn't do anything for Vader, if Vader had never abandoned R2, Luke never would have gotten off Tatooine (except maybe to join the Imperial Academy after the next harvest). No Luke, no victory at Yavin, no new Jedi. It would only have been a matter of time before they managed to extract the Rebel's location from Leia or any other prisoners they took from Tantive IV. On the other hand, Vader would not have had the same motivation to hunt for the Rebels in ESB, and so they might have been allowed to freeze on Hoth a few more years.

Then again, R2 as Vader's Jiminy Cricket would have been interesting. That'll be something for ROTS: Infinities.

 

One astromech can only do so much, you know. Even R2 wouldn't have THAT big of an effect. He wouldn't have received the Death Star plans or anything.

 

R2 is the Other Chosen One. And with the OTHER Chosen One, they would've overthrown Palpatine (Into a shaft, most likely), and ruled the Galaxy forever!

 

Oh, yes, that's quite a thought.

First off, would Artoo know just what Vader does as his day job? Artoo would probably try to run away if he thought Vader were evil, but maybe he could be "reprogrammed" to have a fundamental shift in values.

It would be interesting to see Artoo wheeling around a room zapping people while Vader handled the rest. Artoo could also pin people down while Vader Force-choked them.

I'm sure Vader could also use an astromech as a personal masseuse. It must get uncomfortable on all that life support gear all the time.

 

R2 would never have a chance to prove himself if he got his mindwiped (necessary for him to be of any service to the villains), and with Vader/the empire. He would be some insignificant being surrounded by a whole lot of other similiar droids.

 

R2 was an extremely resourceful astromech droid. Would any other droid have been able to get the DS plans off the Tantive IV, find Obi-Wan Kenobi, make quick repairs to Luke's X-wing, get Leia, Lando, and Chewie out of Cloud City, and helped Luke on Jabba's sail barge? I doubt it

R2's staying with Vader would have hurt the Rebellion much more than helping Vader. And some jerk probably would have memory wiped him

 

I think Vader would have resisted getting his droid's memory wiped. Regardless of who's in charge, I can't see R2 getting a memory wipe ever

 

R2 got the rebels out of trouble many times, and if not for him they would all be in the clutches of the Empire long ago. It's an interesting thought if he was still Vader's as to the benefits of having this droid.

Just a very rough list of R2's deeds

ANH - R2 carries the DS plans.

ESB - Makes the Falcon go to lightspeed just as Vader and his gang are ready to board.

ROTJ - helps Luke with his plans of escape in Jabbas palace.

I still think the rebels would of found away, but it would be more of a struggle.

 

Artoo also unlocked the door to platform 327 to get to the Falcon. They could have found a different way theoretically, but they were being chased by a bunch of stormtroopers at the time, so I would doubt their options were plentiful.

 

An interesting question and one that simply raises more questions; was R2 more resourceful than a standard Astromech Droid? I think he was. Did the lack of memory wipes contribute to his resourcefulness? Well droids are said to gain individuality without regular memory wipes so I think the answer is yes.

How much did the above contribute to R2?s productivity? One could postulate that it increased his productivity at least a little. That being the case would another Astromech Droid have ever made it to Luke and Ben? Perhaps, but it is probably equally likely that a droid with regular memory wipes would lack the gumption possessed by R2. The droid certainly would have no memory of Tatooine or the Lars homestead. This means they would be more likely to listen to 3PO and travel AWAY from the Lars family.

Still 3PO was picked up by the same Jawas that R2 was so perhaps the new droid does find Luke. Then we need to think about the initiative displayed by R2. Does the new droid say ?She?s here, she?s here? over and over thus provoking the rescue of Leia? Let?s assume he does and of course our heroes wind up in the trash compactor. Does this Astromech have the knowledge of sanitation equipment that R2 had? I don?t know, but I am going to assume that a droid with 20 years of experience is a little more knowledgeable than a droid that had its memory wiped all the time. The new droid still shuts down all the trash compactors on the detention level, but is a few critical seconds slower. Luke, Leia, Han and Chewie die on the Death Star, the rebel base is wiped out and Anakin is never redeemed.

Star Wars never becomes the phenomena it is today. It is forgotten like Yor or some other crappy movie because people don?t enjoy films where the heroes die a gruesome, nasty death before the climax of the film.

 

But if that were true, why would anyone ever wipe a droid's memory? "Gee, this droid is functioning too well. We better wipe his memory so he'll get dumber and less efficient."

For what it's worth, the EU stance is droids like Artoo who don't get periodic memory wipes tend to become quirky. Maybe that's why Threepio is constantly accusing him of having a few loose gears.

 

That?s exactly what I?m saying. R2 was quirky because he lacked memory wipes. Now that might hurt a droid for its normal day to day functions, but if you want an impromptu droid it is far more useful. So if you want your droid to balance the books and work on a moisture farm R2 would suck. However if you need a droid to go gallivanting across the desert, jump into files he doesn?t belong in and be curious enough to learn functions beyond his traditional role R2 is ideal.

Oh and I think 3PO is accusing R2 for being quirky for several reasons. In addition to the quirkiness noted by both of us I think R2 was saying things to 3PO that 3PO thought were crazy, but were true statements:

?You were born here on Tatooine?

?Darth Vader is your Dad?

 

"Darth D2, that is you new name. You will help me destroy the Emperor, and well will rule the galaxy as mostly machine & droid!"


Beep-boo brank boo

"Screw this! Wheres Luke!? He can speak english!"

 

Certainly, R2 had a big influence on the storyline and he would change everything if he stayed with Vader...

BUT what would happen if 3PO stayed with him???
I think Vader couldn't stand his constant nagging about the Dark Side and redeem, just to get rid of it

 

couldn't have said it better! yeah R2 had a big infulence on the storyline and possibly everything would have changed if he had stayed with darth vader like the empire not the rebellion would have won indeed

 

besides, R2 is the one that started the whole Star Wars Sage in the first place.

 

Well,the stolen death star plans would never make its way to the Rebellion,
Obi Wan wouldn't have known it was time to start training Luke [Or would he?]and if they did all end up there anywaise,they never would've stoped the garbage compactor,or found Leia for that matter.Then in ROTJ, Luke wouldnt be able to get his lightsaber and he would probably be killed by the Sarlaac in the end.

R2D2 saves everyones a**es in the end,no matter what.

 

probably not.

 

What could R2-D2 possibley do against the Chosen One? at his prime, Obi-Wan barely handled Anakin/Vader only because of Anakin's Mistake.


Inless R2-D2 Snuck up on Anakin, he couldn't last a second in a face to face confrontation, it'd be crazy.

 

R2-D2 is the real Puppetmaster. Palpatine is just another one of his Pawns in his grand plan to Rule the Galaxy.

 

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That is so TRUE!!! I was thinking the same lol.