If Thrawn lived, would've the New Republic fallen?

I think 'yes', for obvious reasons.
He was smarter than all of NR commanders together, plus had the Chiss explore the Unknown Regions - so he probably got a lot of resources from there.

 

Had Grand Admiral Thrawn not been assassinated, there is little question in my mind that he would have been able to defeat the New Republic. The only point at which I see major probelms was the second coming of Palpatine. His magnificently ill-planned Operation Shadow Hand was an absolute bloodbath for the Imperial Forces, and I doubt he asked any actual military advisors fo input in planning it.

The Grand Admiral may have been killed in some poorly planned attack, murdered by Palpatine himself (he was insane from clone madness at that point), or left with so few resources in the Imperial Armed Forces so as to have been delayed indefinately with his plans to defeat the Rebellion.

However, he may have been able to call in some of the impressive forces that he'd had siphoned off to the Unknown Regions. And, well, we all know how smart the man was...

 

Not once did the NR defeat Thrawn, he was always 3 steps ahead of them. With a fraction of the resources of the NR he doubled the size of Imperial space

Not even Ackbar's best plan could fool Thrawn, who knew right away that Ackbar's real target was Bilbringi

Perhaps when Palpatine came back Thrawn wouldn've been killed by the insane Emperor, but had he not been assasinated Thrawn would have already crushed the NR before Operation Shadow Hand could have been implemented

 

Zahn wrote Thrawn as an unfairly powerful character who couldn't be beaten without luck, coincidences and flukes. He was unbeatable.

 

I have to say that he would have brought the New Republic to its knees. Hell, he'd effectively blockaded the capital city, and was basically using the very same tactics the former Rebel Alliance had used on the Empire, just with more rapid progress because the Republic was still in the process of rebuilding and demobilizing.

Could he have been defeated? Yes. I think between the keen minds of Jan Dodonna, Ackbar, and Bel Iblis, they could've eventually made successful counterattacks and possibly have defeated him. But by then, the Republic would be a shambles, and confidence in it would be irrevocably shaken.

 

No. Thrawn was great but it was only a matter of time until his plans would backfire. No one is perfect.

 

No. As has been said, Zahn made him too powerful to defeat unless you got real lucky or it was some coincidence. In the TTT, all of Thrawns victories in each book were in minor battles in the books. But the books always ended with one major battle that Thrawns forces always lost. Luck would have ensured his defeat even if he had lived.

 

Thrawn surely didn't lose the Battle of Sluis Van. Nor did he fail in capturing the Katana Fleet. In addition, he'd *doubled* the Empire's size in under three years...

Keep up that momentum, and it'd be the Empire v. the remaining warlords by the time Señor Clone had shown up.

 

Thrawns smart. He'd have seen reports of the ships coming from the Deep Core, and he'd have taken the Lusankya (recaptured of course) and just pounded Byss into rubble.

 

He didn't seem to either know or care about El Clono's pilfering of some of his ships. In addition, Byss was *mightily* well defended...

It'd have taken him a fleet or two to pound the place to dust, especially with all those nasty superweapons nearing completion.

But with the whole rest of the galaxy under his control, plus reserves in the Unknown Regions, he may have just been able to pull it off. *Maybe*.

 

I dont think Thrawn could've destroyed the NR because the NR could've just called Grand Admiral Grant to help them. I mean they're both grand admirals so they should be almost equal.

 

Grant is good, Thrawn is better.

 

I think there would've been a stalemate for a little while as the two sides pushed back and forth, but eventually Luke would have given rise to the Jedi once again and the Empire would've started to fall to them.

After all, the Empire was fated to lose, wasn't it?

 

yep, thrawn wouldv'e whooped 'em... them stupid noghri. i would love to see how thrawn would have dealt with the yuuzhan vong.

 

I don't know about the Empire being 'fated' or 'destined' to lose. They outlived the New Republic...

Also, yes, Grand Admiral Grant was talented, but not so much as Thrawn was. In addition, his 'defection' was in name only, most likely for PR purposes. He'd essentially retired and been placed under house arrest, so as to avoid a kangaroo court like the one that Grand Admiral Teshik was subjected to upon his capture. Plus, there's no guaranteee that he'd even want to turn on his former comrades-in-arms.

 

Of course they would win. The NR would of pulled something out of their sleaves. I mean, after all, we know that in the end the good guys win. We just will never know what it would of cost them to obtain victory.

 

I dont think Thrawn could've destroyed the NR because the NR could've just called Grand Admiral Grant to help them. I mean they're both grand admirals so they should be almost equal.

Thrawn was the greatest of the Grand Admirals, he'd have beaten Grant for sure. Although if Grant was in charge of the NR the war would drag on for several more years as he would have made it much more difficult for Thrawn

Although, as was said Grant wouldn't help the NR, he only defected to save his own skin, he did not wish to help the rebels

 

yep, thrawn wouldv'e whooped 'em... them stupid noghri. i would love to see how thrawn would have dealt with the yuuzhan vong.

I think we've all felt that way at one point, that'd be a great story if handled properly

And to those who would say the YV lack art so Thrawn couldn't figure em out, I say he'd figure them out by studying how they fight

The art of war

 

They've got some sort of art inside their worldships, don't they?

 

You mean the new Empire with Emperor Thrawn. Yeah. The YV don't have art galleries.

 

I imagine that had Thrawn survived the assasination, lets say Captain Paelleon saw Rukh coming and shot him before he had his chance to kill THrawn, there is still a battle going on, which Thrawn was on the verge of losing. Thrawn would have had to fight hard to win that battle.

Win or lose, if I were the cloned Emperor, I would have summoned Thrawn and as much of his fleet to Byss, and I would have promoted Thrawn to Supreme Admiral of the Imperial Armed Forces in commemeration of Thrawn being the only of the warlords to keep the Emperor's dream alive. After that, who knows what would have happened. Thrawn would have probably argued against the Emperor giving Luke Skywalker the codes to the World Devastators the way he did.

 

1) Emperor Thrawn. Good lord. Beaten this dead horse into the ground in other threads. Other than "good lord" I shall not comment.

2) Thrawn was already Supreme Commander of the Imperial Forces, and he wasn't a warlord.

3) Weren't there lineage and history paintings inside the worldships? I seem to recall them from Agents of Chaos.

 

Done so very many times, but it's always fun to talk about this again... Thrawn was a beautifully written character, I don't think he was made overly powerful. He had a unique analytical mind, able to see into the character of an enemy through that enemy's culture. I always thought that was really cool, if a little far fetched, I mean it would work sometimes, but not always.

Personally, I think if Thrawn survived, he would eventually have defeated the republic. The NR would've put up a hell of a fight, particularily with the aid of late arrivals to the war, such as bel iblis, and possibly the rescue of Jan Dodana(although wether he would be rescued with Thrawn still around is questionable) but they would've been defeated.