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Imperial Star Destroyer vs.Trade Federation Battleship

Discussion in 'Literature' started by Hamtaro, Sep 20, 2002.

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  1. Hamtaro

    Hamtaro Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Say there was a battle. No fighters. Which would win?
     
  2. Valiento

    Valiento Jedi Knight star 7

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    star destroyer. The weapons were the upgraded "modern" variety, the shields were the upgraded "modern" variety. Both of which were more advanced than what they had 30 years before.
     
  3. Hamtaro

    Hamtaro Jedi Padawan star 4

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    makes since to me. thanks
     
  4. chissdude10

    chissdude10 Jedi Youngling star 5

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    Are we talking about the spacestation's or the drop ships?
     
  5. Lord_Darth_Bob

    Lord_Darth_Bob Jedi Youngling star 4

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    Fighters do count. That's like saying, how would a WWII battleship do against a modern carrier if it didn't have fighters? It's part of its role and capabilities.
     
  6. Hamtaro

    Hamtaro Jedi Padawan star 4

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    the kind that Anakin destroyed in Episode 1
     
  7. LeeKenobi

    LeeKenobi Jedi Knight star 6

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    Federation craft are all the same thing.
    They simply chose not to drop at Naboo.
    Also, notice that the dropped centers are all the ship from ET.....


    Anyway, a Victory Star Destroyer could take out a Federation ship.
    Anything higher than a Vic would be utter overkill.
    (but to the empire, overkill is a good thing)

    Federation ships are just too weak by design.
     
  8. DarthKarde

    DarthKarde Jedi Knight star 5

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    It really wouldn't be a contest. The federation ship would have no chance.

    Unless a really incompetant and disater prone commander such as Admiral Daala was in command of the Star Destroyer.
     
  9. LeeKenobi

    LeeKenobi Jedi Knight star 6

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    Perhaps I shall elaborate on 'weak'.

    Everything is completely shielded but the Front Door. Where key mechanical components are housed......

    What's the point?

    I can accept that the Death Star had one two-meter exhaust port. Didn't expect anyone to actually get close enough to it and drop torps in, what with all the cannons and everything.

    But when the Federation has a GREAT shield system and leaves it deactivated over a hangar (HUGE HOLE IN THE SHIP) that is pure stupidity.

    Plus Fed. ships are too spread out, whereas Star Destrroyers are compacted down.
     
  10. DarthBoba

    DarthBoba Manager Emeritus star 9 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Star Destroyer. TF battleship has lots of spots where it's guns can't hit anything. And a TIE would tear the crud out of a droid starfighter, IMO.
     
  11. Black_Hole

    Black_Hole Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    I did a thread on this a while back. Simply upgrades. It might have a fighting chance against a vic though.
     
  12. Lord_Darth_Bob

    Lord_Darth_Bob Jedi Youngling star 4

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    No chance against even a Vic (which has far better/more weapons and shields/armor) then the TF "Battleship" despite being a third its length and far less massive. TF "Battleships" are extremely slow, ungainly, modular, mobile space stations with a token number of guns attached and an inferior and highly space inefficient storage operation. It's not even a decent carrier/troopship, which is all its remotely good for. It's abominablely disigned for combat, with huge blind spots for its guns and to few of them, as well as shield phasing problems that allowed Anakin's entry. I'd rather have a Dreadnaught Heavy Cruiser then a TF Battleship.
     
  13. The2ndQuest

    The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    If a trade federation ship tried to ram an ISD, but ejected the core ship, leaving the docking arms to crash into the ISD- it might win ::)

    >> But when the Federation has a GREAT shield system and leaves it deactivated over a hangar (HUGE HOLE IN THE SHIP) that is pure stupidity. <<

    They didn't leave it deactivated- they were dropped briefly to allow additional fighter deployment, Anakin just happened to fly through during this window.
     
  14. Lord_Darth_Bob

    Lord_Darth_Bob Jedi Youngling star 4

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    The only way it could beat a VSD would be to have some bizarre tactics with Thrawn in command.

    The only way to beat an ISD is to ram it, or crash the entire fighter complement and some landing craft into it.
     
  15. Grand_Moff_EXTREME

    Grand_Moff_EXTREME Jedi Youngling

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    In the spirit of this thread I would like to ask, which would win, an Imperial Star Destroyer or a Hapan Battle Dragon?
     
  16. JohnWilliamsFan

    JohnWilliamsFan Jedi Youngling star 3

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    Imperial Star Destroyer, hands down.


    Well, if you have a capable captain that is....

    If you have a stupid commander, it is possible for a single TIE Fighter to kill a Star Destroyer...
     
  17. Miin_Bodenna

    Miin_Bodenna Jedi Youngling star 3

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    A trade federation would win hands down...well...err...

    So i like to be different [face_blush]

    As for a hapan battle dragon...it might have a fighting chance considering how fast they can get there turbo lasers off.
     
  18. LeeKenobi

    LeeKenobi Jedi Knight star 6

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    Okay, so they dropped the shield to let more droid fighters out.
    There were no fighters near it nor in it when Anakin went in!
    They opened it, let the fighters out, and didn't close it back--during the middle of a space battle.

    Pretty stupid.
     
  19. CertainDeath

    CertainDeath Jedi Master star 1

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    But when the Federation has a GREAT shield system and leaves it deactivated over a hangar (HUGE HOLE IN THE SHIP) that is pure stupidity.

    Probaly dropped for to release more fighters.

    The rebel pilot on VQ used the same tactic.

    They opened it, let the fighters out, and didn't close it back--during the middle of a space battle.

    Dunno bout that. Just cause they weren't immediately apparent doesn't mean they weren't coming. Of course, any launch was probaly interrupted by Anakin's sudden arival.

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  20. Valiento

    Valiento Jedi Knight star 7

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    "Probaly dropped for to release more fighters."

    As I recall either, Battle for Naboo, or Starfighter explained it as such.
     
  21. VadersLaMent

    VadersLaMent Chosen One star 10

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    Well, we may see a hint of this if the Acclamators take on the Trade Fed ships in EP.
    Unless of course the Acclamators are replaced right away in which case we should see the next generation of Republic Cruisers anyway.
    I know many EUers are praying for Victories, we shall see.
     
  22. CertainDeath

    CertainDeath Jedi Master star 1

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    According to the new issue of Insider, the Acclamator- Class ship is better suited for planetary bombardment than ship to ship combat.


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  23. Valiento

    Valiento Jedi Knight star 7

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    That's what it said in saxton's book as well, IIRC.
     
  24. Lord_Darth_Bob

    Lord_Darth_Bob Jedi Youngling star 4

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    I love how Val prefaces it by saying it was Saxton's book.
     
  25. Valiento

    Valiento Jedi Knight star 7

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    Well it was his book, it's quicker to say Saxton's book instead of "Attack of the clones incredible cross-sections", :p.

    Beyond that just because I mentioned saxton's name doesn't mean I'm a big fan of his book, because there are quite a few rather stupid things he created in the book, that are just way too technobabblely, and lame for star wars.

    Now if saxton actually wrote another star wars book(perish the thought, :p, ugh), I would be forced to call each book by their individual names to keep from any confusion. I just hope he never gets to write for star wars again. The previous incredible cross-sections were much better than his...
     
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