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In what way did Corde "fail" Padme?

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  1. MR-Mophead-2u

    MR-Mophead-2u Jedi Youngling star 1

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    The first words
    That we heard
    In this Star Wars flick
    Were more or less
    The confessions
    Of this Corde chick;

    I wonder why
    She would lie;
    The Good Guys did prevail -
    She gave her all
    She took the fall
    In what way did she fail?


    It's hard to imagine a servant doing more for someone than Corde did...

    She "failed"? How?
     
  2. Bjork

    Bjork Jedi Padawan star 4

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    This...is a very good question actually. For which I honestly can't find a good answer. 8-}

    I suppose even though Padmé arrived safely and the "job" was completed successfully - she felt that she failed since she could no longer protect Amidala further.

    For example: the President's bodyguards aren't simply there as human-shields, but rather to protect plus take active interest in his well-being and future. (In theory anyway). This is amplified if the two parties have a friendship and trust within each other; which I believe Cordé and Padmé had. :)
     
  3. Kia-Ruse

    Kia-Ruse Jedi Master star 1

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    'she felt that she failed since she could no longer protect Amidala further.'

    BINGO!
     
  4. Latorski

    Latorski Jedi Master star 4

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    Is Corde part of Naboo's security force. If so, she could mean that she failed to ensure a safe landing dock.
     
  5. MyEternalRest

    MyEternalRest Jedi Youngling star 2

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    Some people who I have watched AOTC with have raised this question and I told that it seemed to me even the first time I saw it that it was very likely what with the relationship between Padme and her girls that a sort of pep talk went on with the handmaidens before every major opperation. A "You come back to me, you hear?" sort of thing. :)
     
  6. Jabba-wocky

    Jabba-wocky Chosen One star 10

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    I think it means more that the security force as a whole failed to detect the threat beforehand.

    On a somewhat unrelated note, are ou practicing to be the Riddler, or is there some other good reason why you had to write the opening post in the form of a poem. To continue, I'll make my answer like that too though, just in case:

    We can't see
    Through Dark Side haze
    So though Corde
    is worthy of praise
    She chose instead
    A turn of phrase.
     
  7. MR-Mophead-2u

    MR-Mophead-2u Jedi Youngling star 1

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    Said G.L.,
    III would tell
    Us more ?bout Palpatine;
    & we have yet
    To see the depth
    Of all his evil schemes;

    Will we learn
    That she?s concerned
    About some big mistake?
    Palp?s a creep
    He?s dug in deep?

    Was Corde on the take?
     
  8. Ryloth_bounty_hunter

    Ryloth_bounty_hunter Jedi Youngling star 2

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    whoa, I'm digging the rhymes buddy.
     
  9. Sithman

    Sithman Jedi Grand Master star 7

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    Seriously, lol, are all your posts like this?
     
  10. Jabba-wocky

    Jabba-wocky Chosen One star 10

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    Which poster here will always rhyme?
    Who made a thread to waste your time?
    You'll find him in another's shoe's
    When threes are fours, and ones are twos.

     
  11. JediKnightOB1

    JediKnightOB1 Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Corde failed to do the trick.
    They thought the plan would be real slick.
    Who the hells this Corde chick?
    Typhos there but where is Ric (Olie)?
     
  12. Sithman

    Sithman Jedi Grand Master star 7

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    "Where's Ric" asks the rhyming poster,
    But shouldn't he really question why Owen didn't recognize his toaster?
    After all, we may not know why Cordé failed the queen,
    But neither do we know why Owen failed to bat an eye at 3PO's golden sheen
     
  13. JediKnightOB1

    JediKnightOB1 Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Ric Olie was blown to bits,
    During Anakins days of having zits.
    Cleigg and Owen were always smashed,
    On Blue Milk and wiskey mash.

    Where Shmi had gone they can't recall,
    She broke his leg in a domestic brawl.
    C-3POs gold they'd not recognize.
    For 3PO's maker was caught in lies.
     
  14. Jabba-wocky

    Jabba-wocky Chosen One star 10

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    Put on the ritz
    Then go to town
    Read this thread
    And laugh or frown

    Either way I somehow sense
    the the rhyming skill has gone far down.

    But back on topic!
    This Corde crap
    Akbar'dve told her
    "It's a trap!"

     
  15. Smuggler-of-Mos-Espa

    Smuggler-of-Mos-Espa Jedi Youngling star 6

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    Cordé and the other handmaidens serving had sworn their lives to protect Senator Amidala. Cordé knew immediately after the attack she would die momentarily. She had no idea if the culprits would strike again and kill the Senator. So in the sense of Cordé dying, she felt that she had failed. The handmaidens were that selflessly loyal.

    EDIT: If you are going to post, just do it. Avoid the poems, they are getting just annoying. Take it to the Fan Fic forum...or something.
     
  16. Bib Fortuna Twi'lek

    Bib Fortuna Twi'lek Jedi Youngling star 10

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    She failed because she died.
     
  17. openmind

    openmind Jedi Padawan star 4

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    I thought it was just meant to be dramatic, with a touch of Shakespeare, if you will. A sort of "civilized" manner of speaking.
     
  18. DarthNigel

    DarthNigel Jedi Master star 3

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    I agree with the original post. Corde does not say "I failed", she says "I failed you", speaking to Padme. Perhaps, in dying, she failed herself in some way, but there's absolutely no way to construe her as having failed Padme.

    Corde's role was that of a DECOY. A person who impersonates the real target so that if there is an assassination attempt, the decoy will be killed. That is her job, to ensure that the real target, Padme, will survive any assassination attempt. And in this, she succeeded. She did precisely what she was supposed to do, which was to sacrifice her life for Padme's.

    The key to it is that a decoy's job is not really to do anything in specific - it's just to impersonate the real person and see if something happens.

    The only way her line can make any sense is:
    (1) if she believed in that moment that Padme was also injured or mortally wounded in the attack -- in this case, she might have thought she "failed" because despite her presence, Padme was hurt.
    (2) if she had some other unstated role which involved making sure the landing platform was secure. However, there is no basis whatsoever in the film for this inference, and even if it was the case, Corde still did what she was supposed to as outlined above.
    (3) if she had absolutely no clue whatsoever about what the purpose of her job was. :D
    (4) if she was secretly in cahoots with Jango Fett and/or Zam Wessell in the assassination attempt, which again there is no basis to infer.

    "She failed because she died" just doesn't cut it. By dying, she succeeded in the most crucial possible way. Would James Brady have told Ronald Reagan "I failed you" after the 1981 assassination attempt? I don't think so. It's just a poorly written line. It would have made much more sense instead for Corde to ask Padme if she was safe. (Kind of like Spock - "ship ... out of danger?")
     
  19. First_Stage_Lensman

    First_Stage_Lensman Jedi Youngling star 2

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    Corde says that because she's just suffered a concussion. This is what makes the scene tragic. She's dying of a head wound (extreme impact) and in her state of incoherence she thinks that she has 'failed' Padme in some way - she dies thinking so. This makes Padme feel even more helpless - not only did her Handmaiden die (the first time we've seen this happen - perhaps the first timne it *has* happened?) but she couldn't even comfort her. Corde dies in a delusional state thinking she has not fulfilled her duties as a Handmaiden even though she has - to the Letter.

    The scene is more effective this way than it would be if
    (a) Pamde found her already dead
    (b) Corde was aware of her sacrifice - a noble but less tragic end.
     
  20. mixza

    mixza Jedi Padawan star 4

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    In my opinion, she didn't fail; she just thinks she does because she had head trauma from being hit by a bomb and was kind of delirious because she was dying.

    Wow; that sounded horrible, didn't it? I really didn't mean to be that blunt.
     
  21. MR-Mophead-2u

    MR-Mophead-2u Jedi Youngling star 1

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    The book was even more obscure
    With Corde adding, ?I?m not sure??

    Her parting words before she?d rise
    To that Beauty Parlor in the Skies;

    What the Devil was she on about,
    Expressing this half-spoken doubt?
     
  22. ChosenJedi

    ChosenJedi Jedi Youngling star 1

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    :stares.:
     
  23. NeoBaggins

    NeoBaggins Jedi Master star 5

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    The bomb was ticking, like a clock
    When the ship stopped, off came her socks

    Dirt and soot covered her face
    her hair a mess, she'll be replaced

    Fire in the hole coming down the runway
    and Corde hoped to meet NuteGunray some day

    I failed you M'Lady she said with passion
    "find my shoes and socks, and you can have them"

    Padme was filled with joy plus saddness
    she hoped that the free shoes were not burnt or damaged
     
  24. annie_skywalker001

    annie_skywalker001 Jedi Master star 4

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    Amateur poetry heaven! [face_laugh] [face_laugh] [face_laugh]
     
  25. JediWithoutACause

    JediWithoutACause Jedi Youngling star 1

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    The scene is more effective this way than it would be if
    (a) Pamde found her already dead
    (b) Corde was aware of her sacrifice - a noble but less tragic end.


    exactly, its the little scenes and lines like these that make AotC hard to watch sometimes. we know corde did not fail. she did her duty. in fact, typho reassures us of this a few minutes later. so, why does she say it? your guess is as good as george's. the movie is filled with all these outta-left-field moments and lines. GL mustve had a really hard time time writing the script because sometimes it just doesnt make sense...
     
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