Including Snoke, rank Palpatine’s episodic apprentices by dark side power/accomplishments

Now that we know Snoke was one of Palpatine’s many puppets, rank all of Palpatine’s episodic dark side apprentices by dark side power and/or dark side accomplishments...

1. Darth Vader

2. Snoke

3. Darth Tyranus

4. Darth Maul

 

1. Revenge Of The Sith - He becomes the Senate, kills all Jedi but a dozen or so, turns Anakin into Vader, forms the Galactic Empire
2. Attack Of The Clones - He starts the Clone Wars, vets Anakin, already has Tyrannus, starts building the Death Star
3. The Phantom Menace - He is the phantom menace. Makes his first appearance to the audience chronologically, starts gaining control of the galaxy
4. The Empire Strikes Back - He is the Emperor. All powerful and menacing. What a magnificent introduction of the character.
5. Return Of The Jedi - He is at his most powerful display by the time the movie came out (arguably even now) but ends up dying
6. The Rise Of Skywalker - He is borderline horror movie character, but he ends up dying a ridiculous death after not being able to regain power. He does show a significant display of unlimited power with lightning shooting out of every orifice of his and towards every enemy ship in the sky, but that's not enough.

EDIT: Shoot. I read "appearances" instead of "apprentices". Which would have been an interesting topic too.

Uhm.

1. Darth Vader - The Chosen One who was the most powerful in every way
2. Darth Tyrannus - The Sick Count who fooled everyone
3. Darth Maul - The Scary One with the dual lightsaber
4. Snoke - The Stupid Puppet who died like a fool

 

Darth Maul was a failure.

Darth Tyranus then helped Sidious with the clone army, not sure he deserves any credit for that.

Darth Vader helped Sidious to create the Empire, so major success there.

Snoke was following along the plan correctly, having successfuly created the First Order and destrying the Republic, but never finished the task

 

1. Vader - chief enforcer of an Empire that ruled with an iron fist
2. Snoke/Ben Solo - Influenced Ben to split the Skywalker family in two/bring misery to the galaxy
3. Tyranus
4. Maul

 

In terms of pure power maybe snoke? Too bad he was an idiot in all other ways and was smoked...

 

1. Snoke by far the most powerful IF HE is a sentient individual bar none. He is the Supreme Leader of the First Order demonstrating Force abilities way beyond the other apprentices. He doesn't need a lightsaber to fight and as close to a power level to Sidious. It's as close to having an apprentice to have powers like Palpatine and could be because he is. Lol

2. Vader because he did commanded the Imperial Fleet but his potential was cut short as The Chosen One. He has the highest midichlorian count and even Sidious admitted to Yoda that Vader could become even more powerful than both of them. But all in all, he was just a wasted potential after he was injured becoming a cyborg.

3. Kylo Ren; The New Supreme Leader with The Chosen One's genetics. This is what Vader would have become if he didn't lose to Obi-Wan on their first duel. Also a Force Dyad. If you really analyze it....he is probably more successful than Vader. If these events was real life then Kylo should be above Vader. BUT since this is a movie....then cinematic wise Vader should BE DA MAN!!

4. Tyranus. Leader of the Separatists and could defeat most Jedi except for 2 or maybe 3. That's power.

5. Maul has the greatest lightsaber duel in all the movies. He MADE TPM!! He's the coolest apprentice and love watching him. Scene stealer....Maul made TPM an iconic merchandise machine. All the action figures in TPM had his face literally on it.

 

Dooku was a chump who got played and was dumb enough to not see it coming

 

Lovely thread. For me, it´s:

1- Vader - instrumental on the rise of the Empire, and key to maintaining it for almost two decades. The most successful apprentice.
2- Snoke - very powerful in the Force, but frail physically, he performed his task splendidly. Sadly for him, part of it was being killed.
3- Dooku - charismatic enough to help divide a galaxy, he ended up working better for Sidious´plans than Maul. Not strong or young enough to be considered the real deal, though.
4- Maul - Powerful in the martial aspects of the Force, he was almost uncharacteristically loyal for a Sith (probably due to his relatively young age). He was a great tool for certain purposes, but his defeat ruined him completely.

All of them, anyway, were incredibly powerful, among the strongest in a galaxy wide scenario. I wouldn´t count Kylo Ren among them, as Sidious apprentice, but if he were, I imagine he would be 2nd, since he did kill Snoke...

 

Vader
Dooku
Snoke
Maul
Grevious
I've seen kylo listed.if include him hedhve been second but think he is different

 

Snoke would be number 1 apprentice clone.

 

Unfortunately, the films don't tell us enough about Snoke to determine his power level, or whether he was an apprentice of Palpatine. It's all just speculation.

 

Based upon your criteria and not my preferences:

1. Snoke. He could do Force Lightning, control people’s minds from a great distance, took over the First Order, destroyed the New Republic, and created Kylo Ren.

2. Kylo Ren. He kinda defeated Luke Skywalker as Ben, took control of the Ren, killed Snoke, and defeated Rey.

3. Darth Vader. He would have been number 1. But he wussed out and became a good fit. So did his grandson, but for 1 year Ren was Master of the Galaxy, something only Palpatine had accomplished.

4. Darth Tyrannus. He created the Confederacy, could do Force Lightning, could use the Force and Force Lightning while dueling, and could have mopped the floor with No. 5. Only the future Vader could defeat him.

5. Darth Maul. I loved him in TPM. And while I was skeptical of his return in TCW, he was great there and in Rebels. Loved his cameo in Solo. But he was rather limited. However, as the first Sith Apprentice we see prior to Vader, he’s iconic.

 

1- It should be Snoke and Kylo even if their accomplishments were only shortly described. They created the first Order, the Star Killer base which was even larger and more powerful than the death star and they helped or at least protected Palpatin while he was hiding creating his huge fleet. I suppose they also had to do with the fall of the new republic although that´s not explained in the movies.
2- Darth Vader who destroyed the jedi order and the republic
3- Count Dooku who was involved in the clone wars
4- Darth Maul, his character promised more and lasted longer than what was shown in his short appearence in the movies

 

It’s hard to properly rank Snoke until we know more about him & his connection to Palpatine. The uncertainty of who should get credit for Snoke’s actions (Snoke, Palpatine or the force) and the lack of EU material to pad his resume hurts Snoke imo

1. Vader by a large margin. He’s an incredibly powerful force user, a skilled warrior and talented commander. The rest of the list will end up as footnotes in history while Vader’s legacy will withstand the test of time. He held the galaxy by the throat for over 2 decades & was still feared him decades after his death.

2. Dooku. A Jedi Master turned Sith Apprentice, he’s both a skilled swordsman & and a powerful force user. He was the face of CIS & helped keep the Jedi engaged in that farce of a war for 3+ years. Palpatine constantly skewing things in Dooku’s favor does hurt the count but not quite as much as Snoke imo.

3. Snoke - Clearly powerful but his reign crashed and burned within a week. Unlike everybody else on the list he does not yet have EU material to further pad his resume beyond his actions in the movies. The revelations in ROS (Palpatine, Final Order, Dyad, etc) further undermines his credibility quite a bit which casts doubt on who exactly should get credit for his actions

Maul - Killed a Jedi Master in his debut but died shortly afterwards. He did manage to make a decent come back but not enough to take him out of the last position.

 

Darth Maul is number 1. He was actually a true Sith Apprentice and survived his injuries and the fall. Nobody ever came close to his fighting style even in the ST. Even with CGI enhancements in the last two prequels for the characters which even make Maul look better. Maul's fall on Naboo was no fault of his own,he actually defeated Kenobi but it was a Lucas move to focus on Anakin since the trilogy was about the Anakin character so he existed the character but he also brought him back. A secondary plot for the PT revolved around Palpatine losing his apprentices which led into the OT. Moreover Maul is the son of the extremely ancient and powerful Mother Talzin, and in Star Wars, blood is a very potent and important thing for Force sensitives and mega-players, Maul is right up there with the Palpatines.

Snoke is not a Sith apprentice, and the Knights of Ren and even Kylo are not good representatives of any type of combat training substitute. Snoke had none as it relied on minions for that including the Praetorians. Maul would've cut through them all in less than 30 seconds and his mastery of the Dark Side is rivaled only by his (former)master Darth Sidious. Both also had knowledge of Nightsister Magiks which made them even more lethal.

 

I think if it's strictly lightsaber duel, Vader has a chance against Sidious. Sidious's true power is his Force abilities, not saber skills. He lost lightsaber fights to Yoda and Windu (although Windu was amped in that fight), and he was only a little better than Maul in their duel, and he used the Force to gain advantage against the brothers.

As for the movies, Vader was clearly holding back against Luke in the first fight and he didn't want to kill Luke, and he was conflicted and mentally not well against Luke in the second fight. We've seen Vader's lightsaber skills against Ahsoka and Ben Kenobi, he was really good.

 

Vader lost to Return of the Jedi Luke. As strong as he is, that really should end the argument right there, because Sidious never had a showing that low (no I don't count Rise of Skywalker as I only focus on the Lucas versions of the characters).

 

#1 - Darth Vader

#2 - Darth Maul

#3 - Count Dooku

#4 - Snoke


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#1 - Darth Vader - Clearly the greatest of the apprentices. One of the greatest Force users of all time. His dad is the Force.

#2 - Darth Maul - Maul's career was cut down before he reached the #2 spot. But he had the potential to get there. That potential for what could have been puts him ahead of Dooku.

#3 - Count Dooku - Dooku seems to have come in fully formed in some ways. His role is both a false political leader as well as a deadly Force users to help bait the Jedi into joining the war.

#4 - Snoke - I'm not sure how real Snoke is. Just going by what we see on screen, I think there is a lot of smoke and mirrors being used to make Snoke look more dangerous and powerful than he is. When we first see his thrown room in The Last Jedi watch those tall purple robed aliens. Are they monitorering Snoke's movements? Could they even be controlling him? Is this a whole Wizard of Oz level of trickery going on with Snoke.

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If we are being totally honest, Palpatine also makes Kylo Ren and Rey his unwitting apprentices. So one more list.

#1 - Darth Vader

#2 - Rey - Rey does the least Sith Apprentice stuff. At the same time Rey is unwittingly great at flushing out OT heroes to meet heir deaths. She draws Han Solo to his death. Also Luke Skywalker dies to protect Rey and the last shards of the Resistance. Those are players Palpatine needs out of the game. Especially Luke.

The big one is Rey mortally wounded Kylo Ren. With that she edges out the last Skywalker. It doesn't matter that Kylo did all the heavy lifting for Palpatine through the First Order. Or that Kylo beat Rey in that last duel before she hit him with a killing strike.

#3 - Kylo Ren - Kylo spends three movies carrying out the will of Palpatine without even knowing it. Even his order to kill Rey is false. But a true Sith Lord wouldn't drop his guard when he senses his mother fading away into the Force. That show of weakness gives Kylo Ren the #3 spot.

#4 Darth Maul

#5 - Count Dooku

#6 - Snoke

 

As I said, Vader was not at his best against Luke. It's similar to Maul vs. Ahsoka in the Clone Wars, where Maul didn't want to kill Ahsoka. And even worse, because Luke was able to reach Vader's light side, and he knew there were conflicts in Vader. That's why Vader lost.

They also said this;

 

1. Vader
2. Dooku
3. Maul
4. Kylo - He didn't really do anything. By my interpretation, Sheev orchestrated everything so Snoke's FO would take over, and then imo Sheev wanted Kylo to take over from Snoke. I really don't think Sheev's plan overall is very clear, but it seems like RoS was implying that everything happened as he wanted it to.

* Snoke -- I don't really feel like Snoke even counts as an apprentice. He was a pickled puppet that I get the impression Sheev more or less controlled. I'm also not convinced that Kylo killing Snoke wasn't exactly what Sheev would have wanted. Snoke just seems like a stand in for Sheev that Sheev used to manipulate Kylo. He wasn't an apprentice for his own purposes.

 

Agreed. Killing Snoke was a test for Kylo Ren to pass. Not just a test, but a way to push Kylo further into the Dark Side and a way to exercise his Force powers to become stronger. Palpatine set up a number of these obstacles for Kylo to overcome. Killing Han Solo was one of them.

Palpatine tells Anakin in Revenge of the Sith that in destroying the Jedi Temple, Anakin will become more powerful and be able to save Padme. So using the dark side is away to turn further to the dark side and also become more powerful in the Dark Side.

Kylo was struggling with the Dark Side. Palpatine was pushing Kylo to darker and more powerful things in the hopes it would help him switch over completely. But really it's about getting Kylo as strong as possible to become the most deadly tool as possible for the Sith to use.

I guess Kylo Ren is essentially a Sith Lord in all but name. He's not learning the specific Sith lessons, but he's getting all the skills pass the trails expected of a Sith Lord.

 

I agree Snoke shouldn't be here. I think Snoke is on Grievous's league.

They both are creatures that created by Sith. They both are not Sith.

Snoke = completely Force beast, but no physical and lightsaber combat ability.
Grievous = no Force ability, but it's a beast when it comes physical and lightsaber combat ability.

The Sith has the both. The Sith needs both the Force and physicality/lightsaber combat.

From the new canon;

Spoiler

Red lightsaber is one of the symbols of being a Sith. Without that, one can't be a Sith.