Interesting that Anakin received only one dream/vision of his future. Why no others?

I was thinking that Anakin only received one dream/vision about his own future, and that is that he dreamed he would become a Jedi and come back to free the slaves. However; he has dreams about his mother and Padme, and he dreams of them in danger.

What I find most interesting is that Anakin receives no other dreams, visions or premonitions of himself and his future/destiny. Why didn't Anakin receive anything in this form about his own future and destiny, particularly by the Force? Why did not the Force give him a dream or vision to warn him about his possible future that may could have prevented him making the wrong choice?

One thing I think of that may be the answer to this question comes from Yoda's words about Anakin in TPM. Yoda said of Anakin, "Clouded this boy's future is" Is it possible that the dark side was already having a strong influence in Anakin's life that it not only clouded Yoda's vision to see Anakin's future, but also prevented Anakin from seeing what his future would be, and thus clouded his ability to receive such dreams or visions.

I also think of two other sayings by Yoda in the saga. In TPM, when referring as to whether the Sith could have survived, Yoda said the now famous line, "Hard to see the dark side is"

Then in AOTC in the beginning of the film when Palpatine asks Yoda if he thought the situation that was present with the Separatists would come to war, and Yoda responded with,
"The dark side clouds everything....difficult to see"

So from this it could be said that in TPM that when Yoda said Anakin's future was clouded, it was that either the dark side at that time was already beginning to have influence over Anakin's life, or in actuality when Yoda said his future was clouded he was seeing Anakin's future, a destiny with the dark side.

Anyway, I keep asking why Anakin had no premonitions about his future or destiny other than what he spoke of in TPM. Was this because he was destined to turn to the dark side(I personally have never accepted this), or maybe there are possibilities he was created by the Sith,(another theory I don't accept either), thus being the reason he receives no dreams or visions of his own potential danger of turning to the dark side.

Darth Sin!

 

While thats a good point in the movies, in the Clone Wars cartoons, Anakin had a vision in a cave, the force was trying to warn him of what he might become. He disreagarded it.

 

This is the part i wanted to comment on.

I look at the story this way, Anakin did not make the wrong choice, he did exactly what he was destined to do from the begining.

The force needed to be brought into balance, while the Sith were damaging to it the Jedi were not helping the situation with their ridgid dogma, stagnant ways and at the time of TPM they had in some philisophical way divided the force into 2 different types.

The jedi had to be destroyed as well as the sith in order to bring the force into balance, their order was as much a part of the problem as the sith.

If the very existance of the sith was enough to throw the force out of balance it would have happened in a lot less time than 1000 years after the Sith went into hiding.

It seems to me the Sith gained their dominance and threw the force out of balance because there wasn't enough "good" comming from the jedi who by then had become servants of a corrupt senate.

In the end Anakin did what was necessary, he destroyed every practicing force user except those directly decended from Qui-Gon's "new vision" of the jedi and the force.

Culminating with Anakin's death and leaving no sith, no living "old republic" jedi, instead all that was left was Luke who i think was as much a part of the will of the force as Anakin ever was.

The force brought Anakin into being for 2 reasons, to "clean the plate" so to speak by leaving the galaxy empty of force users and by fathering Luke who inherits the legacy of the Jedi and serves the force instead of trying to master it or bend it's will to the service of the senate.

 

Perhaps before the Padme death dreams, he had dreams of a happy life with Padme. "She is exactely the way I pictured her in my dreams." "I'd much rather dream about Padme." Anakin says those lines in AoTC (The first one might be "You are exactely the way I pictured you in my dreams" and addressing Padme, I can't remember) to Obi-Wan. He obviously had some up to date visions of Padme. These were not expanded on at all. Perhaps he did have alternative visions.

Carnage

 

Thanks Carnage04, I completely forgot about those lines from Anakin in AOTC. I agree with you that he must have dreamed about being with her just out of his own desire for her between the time of the end of TPM to AOTC.

If Anakin dreamed of a happy life with Padme, I do think this was out of his own will and desire for her rather than actual visions, dreams and premonitions. But let's say they were actual visions/dreams of a happy life with her; Anakin allowed himself to believe she would actually die over a happy life together.

This adds to my thoughts that Anakin seems to be somewhat influenced by the dark side even when he was young and innocent.

Darth Sin!

 

I look at the story this way, Anakin did not make the wrong choice, he did exactly what he was destined to do from the begining.

The force needed to be brought into balance, while the Sith were damaging to it the Jedi were not helping the situation with their ridgid dogma, stagnant ways and at the time of TPM they had in some philisophical way divided the force into 2 different types.

The jedi had to be destroyed as well as the sith in order to bring the force into balance, their order was as much a part of the problem as the sith.


I agree. They are both force users. I believe that the "Force" itself doesnt distinguish differences between the two. Only the Jedi and Sith themselves arbitrarily refer to the dark or light side.

 

"The Force has two sides. It is not a malevolent or a benevolent thing. It has a bad side to it, involving hate and fear, and it has a good side, involving love, charity, fairness and hope."

--George Lucas, Rolling Stone Interview 1980.

Anakin in the films alone only has two visions. In the eu, he has a few. For a time three years after TPM, he sees a dark figure who terrifies him. That figure is, of course, Vader. He doesn't realize it until he is on Zonoma Sekot. He then has the vision of Maul while constructing his saber on Ilum. Maul tells him that he will be just like him. Then there are the ones mentioned above.

I think that Anakin's destiny was truly clouded. He could go either way with his life. He could become a Jedi. He could become a Sith. But his fate wasn't certain except that he would bring balance to the Force. His first vision is at a time in his life when he isn't clouded by the dark side. He has no fear of loss. His feelings of attachment aren't as close to the surface as they become once he leaves. The fear of loss visions began just before Qui-gon showed up, when he had a vision of his mother disappearing, which was part of his Jedi vision. That he would lose he when he came back to free the slaves. But his future changed. He did not come back to free slaves. He did not lead an army of troops on Tatooine. When he had his visions of Shmi, they tended to start out normal. Himself, his mom and various others all sitting around together. Then his mother turns to glass and shatters, just as he feels intense pain and then wakes up. Here he was feeling the events as they were happening. His connection to his mother was strong and thus he could feel it, but only in his dreams.

By ROTS, things are different. His fate is becoming more clear. His fear of loss, of change brought about by the pregnancy and the death of Dooku, results in a vision of Padme dying. And with each choice Anakin makes, the more things change as we see Obi-wan with Padme now. Which then leads us to seeing Obi-wan with his cloak off, instead of on. And Obi-wan only tells her to hang on just after the children are born, right before she dies. Every decision leads to a different version of the future, thus keeping in with Yoda's statement about the future always being in motion. After Anakin becomes Vader, does he lose his ability to see the future when he sleeps. Though he sleeps seldomly as it is.

 

"The Force has two sides. It is not a malevolent or a benevolent thing. It has a bad side to it, involving hate and fear, and it has a good side, involving love, charity, fairness and hope."

--George Lucas, Rolling Stone Interview 1980.



Yep, thats the black and white 1980s Lucas talking. Before the dark times, before the gray PT.

 

He's had a few vision's in the EU. Like sinister mentioned, the one in the Ilum cave involving Darth Maul. He also had one involving "The One Below Remains Below" or Jedi Master Yaddle.

 

"I wanted to have this mythological footing because I was basing the films on the idea that the Force has two sides, the good side, the evil side, and they both need to be there. Most religions are built on that, whether it's called yin and yang, God and the devil?everything is built on the push-pull tension created by two sides of the equation. Right from the very beginning, that was the key issue in Star Wars."

--George Lucas, ?The Mythology of Star Wars,? Joseph Campbell and the Power of Myth DVD, 2001

Check out the year 2001, during the PT.

 

I have a hard time accepting the fact that everything Anakin did was predetermined by the Will of the Force or whatever. It really takes away any true meaning to his life. If this is the case, Anakin didn't fall nor was he redeemed. He just existed untill he died. He may as well have been a fruit fly. Yes, A fruit fly that carried a virus that killed the Jedi, mutated, and killed the Sith instead years later. The Prophecy wasn't "Kills all Jedi and then tosses His Master down a reactor shaft on the Death Star, it was "Brings Balance to the Force." The arguement is often brought up that the Old Jedi had to be disposed of so that they could do away with their old ways of thinking. What if they found another way to first eliminate the Sith and then teach the Old Jedi new tricks? I am not going to present an outline of a story that goes this way, but it wouldn't be too hard to write. It would suck as a story, but he could still have brought balance to the force. I'd venture to guess there are plenty of AU Fanfics out there to explore this idea.

Carnage

 

Most religions are built on that, whether it's called yin and yang, God and the devil?everything is built on the push-pull tension created by two sides of the equation.

See, thats where Lucas gets himself in trouble. Those religions do have separate names for the good and the bad. In the Star Wars universe, we only have one name, the "Force", not the Force and "Anti-Force". The line is further blurred because the Force serves both sides equally, kinda of like having God help in doing the Devils work.

 

Youre thinking about that wrong. Its not that the force is God and there is no devil... There is only the force. I don't think there is exactly God and Devil in the star wars universe, but the properties of yin and yang still remain, light side, dark side.

 

The way I see it, the Force doesn't have a good or bad side. That's just the way the Jedi and the Sith try to understand. No one really knows what the Force is. It just... is.

 

Malikail
I look at the story this way, Anakin did not make the wrong choice, he did exactly what he was destined to do from the begining.

The force needed to be brought into balance, while the Sith were damaging to it the Jedi were not helping the situation with their ridgid dogma, stagnant ways and at the time of TPM they had in some philisophical way divided the force into 2 different types.

The jedi had to be destroyed as well as the sith in order to bring the force into balance, their order was as much a part of the problem as the sith.

voodoopuuduu
I agree. They are both force users. I believe that the "Force" itself doesnt distinguish differences between the two. Only the Jedi and Sith themselves arbitrarily refer to the dark or light side.

Hmmm, you guys really think Anakin made the right choice in RotS? Not that I disagree with you.

 

Youre thinking about that wrong. Its not that the force is God and there is no devil... There is only the force. I don't think there is exactly God and Devil in the star wars universe, but the properties of yin and yang still remain, light side, dark side.

But see, Yin and Yang are two separate nouns. Both sides of the same coin have even have two separate names, ie heads and tails. The Force is always refered to in the movies as a single noun, not the Light Side Force or the Dark Side Force (or the Force and anti-Force).

The way I see it, the Force doesn't have a good or bad side. That's just the way the Jedi and the Sith try to understand.

Yep, thats the way I see it too. The Force is in the eye of the beholder.

Hmmm, you guys really think Anakin made the right choice in RotS? Not that I disagree with you.

Actually, it doesnt matter what we think. It had to be that way to make the OT fit. Anakins choice is the complete opposite of the Spock quote of "the needs of the many out weigh the needs of the few."

 

The Force is always refered to in the movies as a single noun, not the Light Side Force or the Dark Side Force (or the Force and anti-Force).

Didn't Vader say " you don't the power of the Darkside"?

Didn't Palpatine say "the Darkside of the Force..."?

 

There's also "Fear of Loss, is a path to the Dark Side.", "But how will I know the good side from the bad?", "I've got to try to bring him back, to the good side.", "Twisted by the Dark Side, young Skywalker has become." etc.

 

The Jedi and Sith describe the Force has having a good side and a dark side. That is, by definition, two different ways to describe the Force.

 

That's what the Jedi and the Sith think the Force is...

 

That's what the Jedi and the Sith think the Force is...



Yep. My vision of the Force is more like a super Mother Nature, no good or bad. Mother Nature doesnt like to be fooled with, therefore the Jedi and Sith both would be destroyed as a backlash. I think it fits better than Lucas' ramblings about the Force.

 

I found it most interesting that at the end of AOTC when Dooku arrived to meet Sidious, Dooku said to him, "Master Sidious, the Force is with us"

Dooku did not say, the "the dark side of the Force is with us". I always thought the reason he said this was to mean they(the Sith)were controlling things to such a degree and that they had the advantage that Dooku took this as the Force was from a certain point of view siding with and aiding their doings.

So from Dooku's words, it could be said there are no two sides to the Force, but rather the nature of the Force is determined by the users whether for good or evil.

Darth Sin!

 

anakin had many visions of the future, even in his childhood on tatooine. others maybe couldn't see their future because it was cloded by dark side and anakin could use dark side...

 

Qui-gon does not correct anyone, when he died and became one with the Force. Same with Yoda and Obi-wan, when they talked to Luke. They know more about the Force than anyone, due to that connection.

 

You may have noticed that even while alive, Qui-Gon never mentions the 'Dark' or the 'Light' side. Rather, he says in TPM that Maul was skilled in the 'Jedi' arts.

That aside, being dead does not equal having full knowledge of the Force. If that were the case, Ben won't have still thought killing Vader was a viable option, when it was clearly not the Force's Will.