Is Anakin really more powerful than Palpatine?

"I am more powerful than the Chancellor. I can overthrow him." (Anakin Skywalker, EP3)

Is this true? Yes Anakin is the chosen one, but he has yet to reach him peak. Sure, he's young and is one of the best Jedi. Certainly if he'd continued to train as a Jedi for several more years I'm sure he would be more powerful than Palpatine.

But at the time of ROTS, no, I believe Palpatine is the most powerful force-user in the galaxy. Had Anakin actually witness Palpatine's power then he probably would have realized that no, Anakin is not more powerful. But think about it, Anakin tells Padme that he's more powerful. But what does have to go off of? What's he basing that on? The fact that Palpatine was covering before Mace and only managed to shoot some lightning at him, which ultimately backfired?

The fact of the matter is, that Anakin has never truly witnessed Palpatine's power. Palpatine killed three Jedi MASTERS and held his own against Mace Windu (the second greatest Jedi). Then, Palpatine defeated Yoda (THE greatest Jedi). However, all Anakin saw was Palpatine's little act to persuade him to turn to the dark side. Does Anakin even know if Palpatine can use a lightsaber???

So from all I've seen, I believe that Palpatine is far more powerful than Anakin. He was able to train at least two great Sith Lords, one of which took on two highly successful apprentices, and then Palpatine was able to covert Anakin and use him to destroy the Jedi Order and change the Republic into the Empire, and more. So, when I see Anakin/Vader hurling Senate pods and levitating two others at the same time, I'll believe he's more powerful that Palpatine.

 

No.

Anakin is not more powerful than Palpatine, and his fight with Obi Wan is evidence of that. Anakin was beaten by Obi Wan and Obi Wan had been sent to fight him because he wasn't strong enough to face Palpatine. Even if Anakin would have won it would have been very closely fought, and Yoda made it fairly clear that Obi Wan was no match for Palpatine. If Obi Wan was no match for Sids, neither was Anakin.

Anakin had the potential to be more powerful than any Jedi or Sith but he never achieved that potential.

 

Anakin had the potential to be more powerful than any Jedi or Sith but he never achieved that potential.

Agreed. If Anakin had, had a few more years under his belt, he would have been unbeatable. His powers would have kept doubling.

He was still fairly young (23).

 

Anakin wasn't more powerful than Palpatine however had the suit never come to pass he would have been in time. The way it ended up, he never surpassed him.

 

I agree, and if I am correct, GL himself said that the suit made Anakin/Vader only 70% of his ability... and therefore Anakin never reached his potential, and remained less powerfull than Palps right until the end.

 

I don't know if anyone else noticed this, but I felt something about Anakin's line in RoTS "I am more powerful than the Chancellor....I..I Can overthrow him." to Padme has a hint of hesitation in it. He certainly has felt a taste of Darth Sidious's Powers and knows what he would be up against. I am not sure that he truly believes he can beat him.

And Let's face it, he knows that Padme isn't a big fan of Palpatine by this point, so it's a little extra something that Anakin tossed in to make Padme see his side. This presents more problems. Let's say that Padme goes with him, he slaughters Kenobi, Twins are born, and things are "Happy" for Anakin. Sidious would have told Anakin that Padme lived only because Sidious was able to Will her to live. Good old Palps most certainly would have come up with another life threatening situation for Padme, averting her from disaster once again. Vader would ask him to show him the power and he would say he wasn't ready. Physical strength aside, I think Palpatine was smarter than Anakin by leaps and bounds and would have constantly manipulated events to make Anakin think that he still needed the old bastard. I'm not sure Sidious was more powerful than Mace, Anakin, or Yoda as far as sheer physical force, (I don't want to argue the point, consider it a neutral idea.) but no doubt he could run circles around Anakin in the intellectual arena. Therefore, Palps is stronger than Anakin. After all, "War does not make one great!"

Carnage

 

as Suited Vader he's only 80% as strong as SIDS but on wikipedia they said at the time of ROTS he was a raw 2x as powerful as Sids.

 

Theres no way in ROTS Anakin is 2x Sids power.




Emporer Gerner Dark Lord of the Sith

 

I think that they mean he has the potential to be 2 as powerful as Sids. With time, training, and all of his limbs and internal organs, he may have become that powerful. In RoTS, he certainly isn't twice as powerful as Sidious. If he was, Obi-Wan most certainly would have been the one in the Lava bath.

Carnage

 

Anakin is not twice as powerful as Palpatine by episode 3, He would have been if he was not injured. If he was that powerful Yoda would not have sent Obi-wan to fight Anakin.

 

I couldn't agree more. Yoda would take on the strongest of the opponents simply because he was the strongest Jedi. Not only that. It was Yoda's responsibility to take on the strongest one, as he was the head of the Jedi. Although, you can ofcourse argue that it was OBW's responsibility to kill Anakin, after Anakin turned.... well well... I agree with you icestar

 

That's true. Anakin is FAR from his potential. He is the Chosen One, but he's still very young. Sidious knows that, with proper instruction, Anakin can become a Sith of unparalleled strength.

 

Thank you Rossa83

 

Ice I agree. Anakin was the most powerful Jedi/Sith ever, but his prededesor...wow now that is a better count. Even Vader was more powerful than Anakin, but as always the best some how get held back, so that they cannot grow bigger than the Master!

 

Icestar63: When you're right, you're right

 

Thank you Rossa83 and Master_EdgeCrusher

 

I agree Icestar63 because anakin was not as strong as the emperor because if he was Yoda wouldn't have sent Obi-wan to fight him in the first place.

 

Yup, all of you got it. Great job everyone!

"All great minds think alike."

 

In rots palpatine tell's yoda "that anakin will become more powerful then the both of them." I think anakin could have been
more powerful but,he went in to the suit he lose's a lot of his power.

 

that is where i stand at too. IO think that he is to be the greatest till LUke comes in.

 

Well... I still believe that Yoda was more powerful than Luke could ever be... I mean, Luke never did have the proper training. Yoda with all his training, and supposedly a high midichlorian count, is the top dog for me. Anakin could have surpassed him with many more years on his back, but we know that never happened.

 

Palpatine is to strong...i mean he took down 5 jedi's for gods sake....and the only reason vader killed him was that palpatine was haveing to much fun to turn around and kill the big freak.

 

There's a reason Anakin's rage causes a small earthquake at the end of ROTS. He's much stronger than Palpatine. He is only mentally subservant to him in the OT, not physically.

 

How do you explain Lucas' quote saying that suited Vader is only 80% of the Emperor's strength? He is strong, but not AS strong as Sideous, Yoda or (even) Mace.

 

YOu really believe that LUke was weaker than his father? Anakin had 10000 midichlorines, that is more than Yoda, and Luke is believed to have 100,000. So Anakin is way stronger than them all, but Luke is way stronger, but not ready at that battle, but lets not start going to the left.!
And Rossa I did not even think about that earthquake. I have not seen a Jedi so that other than the hearder on the Clone Wars cartoon Vol 1, but that was a voice blast! Vader is Like GOD!