Is Count Dooku Really a Traitor?

After the 3rd time I saw AOTC I came up
with a idea that is kind of crazy but it could be plausable.
Tell me what you guys think.
I noticed that when Count Dooku shopped
Anakin's arm off. It looked like he felt bad
about it. And I've never seen a jedi try to
kill someone with that kind of swing, when
he went to kill Obi Wan with a final blow.
Maybe he knew Anakin would stop him and
the swing was fake.
Also when he was talking to Obi Wan in his
cell he seemed very sincere and why would he
tell Obi Wan all his secrets when it wasn't
needed. Like Darth Sidious' name and that he
was leading the Senate. Also Count also
seems too classy to be so evil, some how it
doesn't seem right.
Anyways my point is. Is it possible that
Count Dooku really isn't evil. Maybe he
found out about Sidious and the whole thing
about leaving the Jedi Order is all an act
and he is just trying to get close to
Sidious so he can stop him. Which would
mean he sees Sidious as a bigger threat
than a war.
I could just be crazy, tell me what you guys
think.

 

That's what I have been thinking since opening night. Don't forget that Vader did the same thing when asking Luke to join him. Vader wanted to end the distruction and what not.

But is he a traitor? Depends. Even if he wants to get rid of Sid, he is still a traitor to the Jedi and Republic.

Who knows though...only time and George will tell.....lol.

 

I think the same thing. Here's my theory...Mace windu, Yoda, and Count Dooku are all working together to expose Darth sidious. It's sort of an undercover operation, and Dooku was asking obi-wan for his help in the operation, but obi-wan wasn't in the know. I figure, Count Dooku is kind of a Kyle katarn character who went to the dark side for a while, but then came back with knowledge of both the light and darkside that can be used for good.

 

thats what I have been saying all along about Dooku but no, people still think he is evil. We will see in E3.

 

Ya, I think we are on the right track with
this. But I am still not sure. But I am sure
we will all have good lauph about this whole
thing in May 2005. But I would still like
to hear some other ideas if anyone has
anymore.

 

Masster_Skywalker, what you said about Dooku sounds right!

T_H_X

 

perhaps dooku is anakin's father?

 

I just thought of something new, about Anakins downfall. Do you guys think it is possible that Anakin finds out that Count Dooku is planning on killing Palpatine. And because he doesn't know about Palpatines true identity Anakin tries to stop Count Dooku and ends up killing Count Dooku. Meanwhile Obi wan figures out what Dooku is doing and tells Anakin, but Anakin doesnt beleive Obi Wan. They get in a big fight and in a rage anakin begins to duel Anakin. Anakin is almost killed, Palpatine consoles him and Anakin falls to the darkside.

This is the only thing I can think of for a reason why Anakin goes to the Darkside, there is no other big thing that is big enough to push Anakin into the Darkside.

I can't figure out what GL's reasoning will be but I for sure know I cant wait to find out.

 

Very cool. I imagine GL is looking at this going "Hmm...that's a good idea" and then scribbles it down on the notepad...I'd copyright your idea right now.

 

I think we might see Dooku and Palpatine disagreeing over *something* in the movie, possibly the use of the DS. I can readily see a Dooku/Palpatine battle to show the Emperor's power. (After all, Dooku did manage to last against Yoda for quite awhile, dirty trick or no.) That seems like a reasonable progression from the Dooku seen in Episode 2, who claimed that he left due to the corruption of the Republic and seemed to me immensely displeased that he had to cut off Anakin's arm (But was ready to grill Yoda Force lightning-style).

But I like the M_SW's too. Perfectly in-character for Palpatine, it gets rid of his apprentice, who knows too much. It also makes him seem even more innocent to Anakin, less sith-like, more of a helpless politician. A handy opportunity to raise his public opinion, too, by handing out medals.
I imagine Obi-wan would be laughed out of the Temple if he suggested that Palps was a Sith. After all, what kind of idiot apprentice would try to kill his own master? (Assuming Palps=Sidious, and this whole sequence of events would reinforce the idea that Palps is NOT Sidious, on the surface.)

Thus, Obi-wan gains more respect from the surviving Jedi (Yoda) after the Jedi Purge. Might even get a special T-shirt. "I Saw Through Palpatine's Machinations and All I Got Was This Whiny Farmboy"

 

Have you guys not seen the DVD extra features? Lucas and Burtt confirm there that Dooku is evil. They're saying that they intentionally left it vague throughout the film to have the audience guessing whether he was good or bad and "only in the very last scene with the Emperor is it revealed that he's bad"

So unless Lucas changes his mind again during films we can safely say he's bad

 

agreed

 

I think the same thing. Here's my theory...Mace windu, Yoda, and Count Dooku are all working together to expose Darth sidious.

So why the fight between Yoda and Dooku? Looked very real and convincing they are not working together to uncover Sidious.

 

Perhaps what Dooku told Obi Wan is actually closest to the truth, he is not on the side of the Jedi or the republic because he can see the corruption in the senate, yet he is also out to destroy the Sith like he said. So he is a good guy, just not on the same side as the Jedi. I would like to see this.
Also this explains why Dooku would tell Obi Wan that their is a Sith Lord controlling the senate. For what other reason would Dooku tell Obi Wan that?
Regardless, keep in mind that he has joined the dark side of the force.
Jim

 

He IS a traitor.

 

Just a thought I had the other day. Why does Dooku tell Sidious that the war has started. Assuming that Sid=Palp he is going to know about the battle before Dooku gets back to Coruscant. I'm sure that the Jedi would have informed the Supreme Chancellor immediately. He even told Dooku that he had done well before Dooku told him about the war.

 

Count Dooku is your friend.

 

I think you guys are right Count Dooku's death would play into Palpatines innosence. And what other reason would there be for the Jedi Council to think Count Dooku is innocent unless they are all in on it together.

 

Hmmmmm... not so sure. Dooku would
have enough evidence by now to go back to the Jedi council and expose Palpatine.. before it all gets out of control. This would have happened during AOTC.. before perhaps the Genosis scene. Interesting though. Well thought out theory.

 

He certainly is in my eyes.

 

I've thought about this as well. Count Dooku, with all of that experience as a Jedi teacher and leader, suddenly becomes a Sith apprentice? No! He's trying to get back at Sidious for what Maul did to Qui-Gon Jinn. But here's the confusing fact: if Count Dooku were really on the Jedi's side and that of the Republic, why would he fake it at the large expense of loss of Jedi if his intentions are good?

 

Nah, he's not a traitor. It just LOOKS like he's in league with Sidious...

I hate to say this, but....DUH!

 

Dooku is evil, you must realize this. If you still don't think Dooku is evil, buy the DVD, watch the features on Disk 2 and listen to the commentary by GL.

Dooku is evil, GL intentionally made his character mysterious for most of the movie, thinking it would be a great surprise to the audience when they see Dooku acknowledge that he is in fact Sidious's new apprentice at the end of the film. This is why Anakin and Padme's trial on Geonosis was cut from the movie--GL didn't want the audience to know for sure that Dooku was evil until the end of the movie.

Dooku does want to overthrow Sidious, but that's only so that Dooku can rule the galaxy himself as the Sith Master. He would have liked to have had Obi-wan as his Sith Apprentice, but that didn't quite work out.

In summation, Dooku doesn't have any noble intentions of reforming the Republic or infiltrating the Sith Order to overthrow Palpy to "destroy" the Sith once in for all. Dooku's an evil man who wants to rule the galaxy himself.

 

Your right man. I finally got to the part in GL's commentary when he talks about CD. You are right CD is evil. You have converted me.

 

This could also be true. It would
certainly make sense. I can see Dooku wanting to overthrow Palaptine. However, do not take anything GL says on DVD extras, commentaries or documentaries as Gospel, he knows the fans are listening to his every word and he wants to keep the plot for the next film secret. He will use comentaries as a vehicle to throw you off the plot !!!