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Is Julius Caesar related to Augustus Caesar?

Discussion in 'Archive: Your Jedi Council Community' started by Valyn, Jul 3, 2003.

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  1. Valyn

    Valyn Jedi Master star 8

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    I recently watched TNT's Caesar movie and it had me wondering...when does this Augustus fellow come into the picture and does his wearing of the name "Ceasar" indicate a relation between him and Julius? :confused:
     
  2. flyingseal

    flyingseal Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Caesar is a name that all the emperor's of ancient Rome used.
     
  3. Rogue_of-Peace

    Rogue_of-Peace Jedi Padawan star 4

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    ::music sounds:: That is the correct Answer!!! :)

    Yeah, Caesar is a title for the Roman emperors.
     
  4. DarthXan318

    DarthXan318 Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Wasn't Augustus the nephew of Julius or something?

    EDIT - but I don't think that matters, because it's a monarchy, so they must all be related ... right?
     
  5. Valyn

    Valyn Jedi Master star 8

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    Then why didn't the ruler guy in the beginning of the movie, Sulla, wear the name Caesar? :confused:

    EDIT:

    "but I don't think that matters, because it's a monarchy, so they must all be related ... right?"

    In the movie, Julius wasn't proclaimed a monarch. He was celebrated as a dictator, meaning that he had no crown and his heirs weren't destined to rule after his death.

     
  6. Padawan_adri

    Padawan_adri Jedi Knight star 5

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    because before Julius ceasar it wasnt the mname of the emporor's, it was later used at a sine of respect to Julius, kind of like the Russian czar/tzar, both oar derivitives of caesar.

    and yes, they were related
     
  7. flyingseal

    flyingseal Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Sulla wasn't emperor, he was a dictator.

    And yes Julius Caesar was the uncle of Augustus...but Augustus birth name was Gaius Octavius he only took the name of Augustus Caesar after he was named the adopted heir of Julius Caesar in Caesars will.
    Augustus was the first emperor by the way...
     
  8. Thraxwhirl

    Thraxwhirl Jedi Knight star 5

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    The name Caesar was not only adopted by those Roman Emporers to come after Julius, but also by future monarchs all over Europe.

    I posted mention of this in a thread about the Tsars back in May.

    If you're interested, Valyn, here's my post on the name.

    :D looking at it though, I think I made a glaring error saying that 'Czar' is of Latin derivation. It's almost certainly from further North.

    I think what I was getting at is that other countries bastardised the name 'Caesar' into their own language and adopted it.

    Nevertheless, the origin - ie. Julius' real surname - will logically be latin.

    I apologise for the confusion.
     
  9. Hama

    Hama Retired GSA, Retired RSA star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    The German title "Kaiser" is also derived from Caesar.
     
  10. Padawan_adri

    Padawan_adri Jedi Knight star 5

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    yep, it is, I would say a few more of the derivitivis, but I cant remember them
     
  11. dp4m

    dp4m Mr. Bandwagon star 10

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    Caesar was Augustus' great uncle. In his will Caesar had adopted Octavian and made him his heir. (He was born with the name Gaius Octavius)
     
  12. Invid_Clone

    Invid_Clone Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Thus the eight or "octavian" month of the year was named August, to honor him.
     
  13. Obi-Zahn Kenobi

    Obi-Zahn Kenobi Force Ghost star 7

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    Thus the eight or "octavian" month of the year was named August, to honor him.

    Not quite. He named it August to honor himself.

    Gaius Octavius was Julius's great-nephew. Julius adopted him and made him his heir. He also received the name Octaviun and Augustus.

    BTW, isn't it Caeser Augustus?

    Why do we pronounce it "seezer"? That annoys me. The Latin pronunciation is more like "c-eye-sair". Almost exactly how we English speakers pronounce Kaiser.
     
  14. IfAnakinLikedJazz

    IfAnakinLikedJazz Jedi Master star 4

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    [history teacher]Ok, time for the history lesson, boys and girls[/history teacher]

    Caius (Gaius) Octavius was born in 63 BC. His father had married Altia, daughter of Julia, Julius Caesar's sister....

    Julius took a liking to the boy, and brought him along on his spanish campaign in 46-45 B.C.

    Caesar made him his heir, and upon his murder in March 44 BC, C. Octavius went to Rome, still a "small fish in a big pond"

    He adopted the name C. Julius Caesar Octavian, as was the custom for adopted heirs. Caesar had little fortune left, and all his loyal soldiers were retired with estated in Gaul and other provinces.

    He went to them, and asked them to come to his aid to avenge his "father's" murder. The rivals for power, the camp of Antony, and the camp of Brutus/Cassius, saw him as a "sideshow" not a rival for power.

    He convinced Antony to take him in, and together with Lepidus, they divided the empire for themselves. THey defeated the last of Brutus' Army at Philippi, in Greece.

    Then the trio tunred on each other. Antony went to Egypt and there was taken in by Cleopatra. Octavian (or how he now called himself, "Caesar") convinced the senate that Antony was being seduced by Cleopatra, and that Cleo wanted to rule rome under Egypt, rather than the other way around, as it was now.

    After the defeat of Lepidus and Antony in 30 BC, Caesar became sole authority in Rome. He was first granted consul for life, but that would not be enough to stabalize the power vacuum that had been eating the republic for years, even before Julius Caesar's death. He tried to retire from political life, but intstead was named dictator over the provinces of Gaul, Spain, Egypt....well, just about everything but Rome itself.

    The senate gave him the title "Augustus" and he called himself Augustus Caesar, in fashion. Eventually, he reluctantly accepted full authority in every capacity in Rome...

    and so the reign of emperors begins...

    that is all
     
  15. TwiLekJedi

    TwiLekJedi Pretty Ex-Mod star 10 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    :mad: Hama stole my duty as the only German in YJCC to point out the Caesar -> Kaiser thing. Never do that again, or else!
     
  16. Valyn

    Valyn Jedi Master star 8

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    Wow. That's all news to me. We never really focused so much on Augustus in school. Thanks, guys. And I read your linked post, Thrax. Thanks. :)
     
  17. -_-_-_-_-_-

    -_-_-_-_-_- Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Augustus of some relation to Julius Caesar I believe.
     
  18. Bail-AnBillies

    Bail-AnBillies Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Is Julius Caesar related to Augustus Caesar?

    Maybe Caesar just changed his name with the month. So in July he was Julius in August he was Augustus. Hehe, lol, just disregard what I said... I'm feeling a bit crazy today.

     
  19. farraday

    farraday Jedi Knight star 7

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    The first father to blood son passing of the title Emperor went from Marcus Aurelius to Commodus.


    Just a fun fact.
     
  20. youngvader

    youngvader Jedi Knight star 5

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    Octavius (real name of Augustus) was Julius Caesar's adoptive son.
     
  21. Grand_Duchess_Olga

    Grand_Duchess_Olga Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Also, Julius had as son by Cleopatra, Caesarion.
     
  22. Thraxwhirl

    Thraxwhirl Jedi Knight star 5

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    And I read your linked post, Thrax. Thanks.


    You're welcome, Valyn. :)
     
  23. Invid_Clone

    Invid_Clone Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Yeah, Augustus named the month to honor himself. Dunno how I forgot about that little egocentric detail on his part. :p

    Julius took a liking to the boy, and brought him along on his spanish campaign in 46-45 B.C.

    I remember this one issue of THE SANDMAN comic, appropiately named "August", that told of the particular "liking" Ceasar took towards young Octavius, and how Augustus always secretly hated his uncle afterwards. And then feared him, after Julius had become a "god" in hearts and minds of Romans. And how Dream/Morpheus/The Sandman helped him find peace and at the same time revenge himself on his uncle.
     
  24. Hama

    Hama Retired GSA, Retired RSA star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Hama stole my duty as the only German in YJCC to point out the Caesar -> Kaiser thing. Never do that again, or else!

    I lived in West Germany in the 80's, near an American military base south of Frankfort. :p
     
  25. Valyn

    Valyn Jedi Master star 8

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    Olga: Yeah. At the end of the movie, it said that the son of Julius and Cleopatra was ordered dead by Augustus. Poor kid.

    Thrax: Referring to your link, I also watched that Czar program on the History channel. It was pretty cool, IMO. :)

    Invid: Are you implying that Julius was a pedophile/bisexual? :confused:
     
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