Is the Force in droids? Do they midi-chlorians?

Because if not, how is it you can manipulate them and tear them apart? "The Force is in everything" sans the mad barking Vong, yes, we've heard that before.

Then we have midi-chlorian whatevers: unique but abundant cells. We're told they're pretty much everywhere. So if droids don't have those microscopic cells, wouldn't it stand to reason that they don't have a any Forceness within, and therefore, theoretically, can't be "touched."

 

Go ahead and tell a droid to quiet his mind to listen to the Force...

 

Well... Skippy did...

 

How is it that one can move a rock if it has no midichlorians? The Force surrounds and binds all things, it doen't neccessarily eminate from all things.

 

Is that so, Ton G? That was my point: I thought the Force was inside everything: even a rock. So it would also have midi cells. So it too a droid.

Unless my thinking was wrong. That's what I want to find out.

 

I thought midis gave you the ability to use the force, not made you a part of the force. A droid still exists in the force, but cannot manipulate it in any way.

 

The Force =/= midichlorians

"Midi-chlorians -- microcopic lifeforms that reside within all living cells.... Life forms living together for mutual advantage. Without the
midi-chlorians, life could not exist, and we would have no knowledge of the
Force. They continually speak to you, telling you the will of the Force." - Qui-Gon, TPM

Midi-chlorians are tied to life, not every object.

 

Well, the Force does exist in everything, but I doubt a machine could manipulate it.

 

Hmmm. Good question. In Tales of the Bounty Hunters, 4-LOM learns to use "intuition" from the Gand Findsman Zuckess. And from what I've read, this "intuition" seems to be tied to the Force.

Just something to throw out into the discussion.

 

Good point, that.

 

Yes, the Force penetrates everything- however didn't Yoda say that life creates it (in ESB)? And where to midi's come from?

It is suggested that 4-LOM's intuition was perhaps based on the Force. If all things are bound within the Force, I suppose it is possible that this unity could allow a being of some form of conciousnes to see things through the Force. Is a droid really conscious? Perhaps, but it could aslo be the 'will of the Force' that 4-LOM should have intuition.

 

For the most part, it sseems that droids are not part of the living force, but live within it, thus they can be minipulated. Droids are very similar to Vong, you can minipulate them the same way, like in Balace Point, Jaina strokes different parts of Nom Anor to get rid of his Duro disguise, and eventually strokes the right part with the Force, and it comes of. That passage even refers to it like it's just like minipulating a droid. Allthough I suppose the Vong and droids aren't exactly the same, because unless I'm mistakened, droids can be sensed, as opposed to the Vong.

 

perhaps the Vong unknowingly also have anti-midi-chlorians.. some sort of life form or other ability that actually nullifies themselves in the force.. so unlike a rock or a droid that can be found in the force, the vong have some ability that actually cancels the force's ability to sense them.

 

If I recall, the Vong were stripped of the Force. Perhaps the midis abandoned them?

 

Wasn't it decided that the YV were like Ulic Qel-Droma? Having the Force stripped away from them.

As for droids. They are part of the Force. Yes. But they aren't Force sensitive. Why do you think Skippy the Jedi Droid is infinities?

 

Quite honestly, midi-chlorians were the worst thing to bring into Star Wars. It demystified the Force.

 

what about 4-LOM? (from the same author that brought you "Thats no moon, its an assassin droid!")

EDIT: Stripped of the Force? my impression was always that the Vong were simply on another wavelengh, kinda like if we were put in a situation where the only visual frequency was infarred, can we see it? no, is it there? yes

 

The Force is in everything. Midi-chlorians are tied to life, not the universe itself. They are only one way of communicating with the Force.

No lifeform can be completely stripped of the Force, but they can be removed to another "spectrum" of the Force, as it were. It's all about mentality, truthfully -- the same thing happened to the Exile in KOTOR 2, and he/she was able to reconnect with the Force simply by making contact with other Force-using lifeforms.

 

Droids are Force-blind, but they are affected by the energy field the same way a rocck or other unliving matter is.

The Vong are unaffected by it because it's like a ysalamiri -- a specific case as to why it won't work.

 

Do they midi-chlorians?

I'm sure that's a popular pickup line in the GFFA:

"Hey, babe, do you midi-chlorian?"

 

Droids do not use Midi's. Not possible. The Force only flows through living things.

 

Well, what makes up a droid? Who's to say something organic is not used in droid brains. Sure the idea sounds rediculous. Remember bio-neural circuitry in Voyager? Perhaps somethign along this line would allow the droids some insight into the Force.

As to midichlorians, who is to say they are the only connection to the Force? The Force itself is very mysterious, we all know this. Limiting ones connection to the force Force to just midichlorians probably isn't a very good assumption.

 

Becasue Qui-Gon said, in basically these words," The force is what binds all living things. Droids don't have gel-circutry or organic brains or ayn of that.

 

Becasue Qui-Gon said, in basically these words," The force is what binds all living things

That doesn't prove anything besides the fact the Force binds all life.

Droids don't have gel-circutry or organic brains or ayn of that.

Generally speaking, that is probably true. But we the galaxy, is a vast galaxy, you cannot rule out the possiblity of anomalies occuring.

If I recall, didn't Omini implant a few cells which allowed him to use the Force? Of course, he was already alive, but the cells weren't his.

 

The simplest answer comes from KOTOR II.

Jedi can sense droids because they can feel the energy fluxuations inside of them. Affecting them is simliar I would imagine. Plus, is there some sort of rule the force can't work on things that are inorganic? Midiclorians are channels for the force, not the force itself. The force is energy and thus should work on everything.