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Is there something wrong with a straight pride parade?

Discussion in 'Archive: Your Jedi Council Community' started by Jymm_Roquand, Aug 18, 2003.

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  1. Jymm_Roquand

    Jymm_Roquand Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Is it just me or can you not have pride in who you are and celebrate it without being a minority?

    I live near Toronto where there is a general concensus to be open minded and excepting of those who are different from you. And without mistake I am. but evertime I try to display pride in who I am people think me to be arrogant and cocky.

    Yet when a Gay Pride Parade occurs everyone is happy and dancing.

    Would a straight pride parade be so bad. Should I suggest this anywhere else generally I think I woud get mobbed by attacks commenting how bad an idea that is. But why? why should the minorities be aloud to have pride but straight people are not aloud to.

    And don't tell me that straight people own the other 364 days in the year because gay people can display pride on any one of those days.

    Its not just sexual preference either. For instance I am white and though I have no hatred or distain towards anyone of any race, colour, creed religion and so fourth, but if I were to display outward pride for being white, people would think me a bigot. Why does "white pride" automatically mean white bed sheets and a pointing hat??

    Since when was pride reserved for those who claim to be of a minority??

    I really don't get it...

    And don't think I am trying to demean anything anyone else does. I am glad people take pride in who they are...I just would like to be able to also.
     
  2. Fanboy_Solo

    Fanboy_Solo Jedi Youngling star 4

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    Well no group of heterosexuals have shown any interest in forming such a parade, aside from bringing about the same point "Why isn't there one?".

    And the pride has to not be confused with your preference and putting your own group above them all. Example: Gay pride parade celebrating their lifestyle, not expressing any distaste for the hetero crowd vs. White pride groups who believe they belong to the supreme aryan race.

    If a group decides to stop being so apathetic about the point, and want to show their pride in a way that does not put others down, all the power to them.

    I'm a proud white Canadian heterosexual atheist geek. Everyone else is cool too :)

    See?
     
  3. Short Round McFly

    Short Round McFly Jedi Youngling star 6

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    I hear ya, Jymm, I hear ya! I feel the same way.

    If a black man said "It's great to be black!" people would be like "YAY!" but if a white guy said "It's great to be white!" he'd be racist? ?[face_plain]
     
  4. Jymm_Roquand

    Jymm_Roquand Jedi Padawan star 4

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    I'm a proud white Canadian heterosexual atheist geek. Everyone else is cool too
    And that is great Nick accept I want to be able to celebrate the fact that I am a White Canadian Geek with an Irish background andnot have to face all sorts of crap for it.
     
  5. Darth_Ignant

    Darth_Ignant Jedi Grand Master star 7

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    Could it just be that people in Toronto are a little backwards thinking?
     
  6. Jymm_Roquand

    Jymm_Roquand Jedi Padawan star 4

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    I am not talking about just Toronto though. If I were to hold a parade in the middle of Los Angeles commenting on my pride of being a hetero sexual male, if I avoid getting a shot, jumped, robbed or choke to death on smog I would likely be socially outcast for displaying said pride.
     
  7. Ozzel

    Ozzel TF.N Foreign Book Covers Staff star 5 VIP

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    I say we declare today National Straight White Guy Day!

    I'm proud. :cool:
     
  8. Darth_Ignant

    Darth_Ignant Jedi Grand Master star 7

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    Or get beaten with very stylish handbags.
     
  9. Fanboy_Solo

    Fanboy_Solo Jedi Youngling star 4

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    If I were to hold a parade in the middle of Los Angeles commenting on my pride of being a hetero sexual male, if I avoid getting a shot, jumped, robbed or choke to death on smog I would likely be socially outcast for displaying said pride.

    That's a risk anyone takes when doing anything in the streets of L.A. :p
     
  10. Jymm_Roquand

    Jymm_Roquand Jedi Padawan star 4

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    My point exactly.

    One further thing. Please do not take this thread as me trying to diminish anything that any group is trying to do. I just am curious as to why a so-called open-minded society is so closed minded to me being proud because I am a 21 year old white heterosexual male of middle class society in North America...

    Not that I want to celebrate suburbia or not owning a porsche...but I would like to display my pride for being white or straight...
     
  11. Galvamarr

    Galvamarr Jedi Youngling star 1

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    I think it just has to do with majority versus minority. If a white man were to celebrate being white, it can be seen more like flaunting one's power of being in the majority race or sexuality or whatever.

    It's all about perception. It's not that big a deal that there isn't "white heterosexual man day" right now, and if it offends anyone, I don't see the need for one.
     
  12. Katya Jade

    Katya Jade Administrator Emeritus star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    If a white man were to celebrate being white, it can be seen more like flaunting one's power of being in the majority race or sexuality or whatever.

    Yep. Watson phrased that just like I was trying to. It's not that it's wrong to be proud of who you are, but when you're in the majority it's not really necessary to hold a large gathering, in my opinion.
     
  13. Jymm_Roquand

    Jymm_Roquand Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Perception nothing...

    Because of misplaced perception I have to sit back and swallow my pride because someone can not translate the intention of my messages. Again I never wish to put anyone down and I am flaunting no power because besides the freedom of speech and the ability to vote I hold little real power (even those can be seen as illusions of power). I love how openminded society really is...

    Open-minded notwithstanding you offend someone with your pride. Notwithstanding that a minority should get preference or complain about it...

    Again I don't care if homosexual people have their parade. And to be honest I don't want a parade, I just want to be able to say I am straight and proud of it or white and proud of it without someone assuming I am a bigot...
     
  14. Katya Jade

    Katya Jade Administrator Emeritus star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    So you don't want a parade...get a t-shirt. Just because you're white and straight doesn't mean someone should assume you're a bigot. But when you're in the majority of people and you go around saying "I'm so proud I'm white and straight!" it sounds like a put-down to those who aren't.

    Trust me, perception is everything. You'll learn that soon enough. It's important to take into consideration other people's perceptions into what you do.
     
  15. FlamingSword

    FlamingSword Jedi Knight star 6

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    Parades are overrated.
     
  16. Ki-Adi Bundi

    Ki-Adi Bundi Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Man, noone is holding you... Go do your pride parades.

    Personally I find any pride parade stupid.
     
  17. Fanboy_Solo

    Fanboy_Solo Jedi Youngling star 4

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    I just want to be able to say I am straight and proud of it or white and proud of it without someone assuming I am a bigot...

    Do that in whatever way you wish. Don't be surprised with how some may react. Can't change all of their opinions.
     
  18. Epicauthor

    Epicauthor Jedi Master star 4

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    If I were to hold a parade in the middle of Los Angeles commenting on my pride of being a hetero sexual male, if I avoid getting a shot, jumped, robbed or choke to death on smog I would likely be socially outcast for displaying said pride.


    Or they would put you on Queer Eye for the Straight Guy.
     
  19. Nrf-Hrdr

    Nrf-Hrdr Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Gay people have a history of being oppressed by straight people, and black people have a history of being oppressed by white people. Part of the 'pride' aspect of these marches comes from these people celebrating how they've collectively managed to overcome centuries of oppression.

    Seeing as white/straight people have never really had to suffer or overcome anything because of their race or orientation, having a "straight/white pride" march as a direct reaction to "gay/black pride" movements seems a bit obnoxious ? even more so when you consider the large part those two majorities had in the suffering of the two minorities.
     
  20. Short Round McFly

    Short Round McFly Jedi Youngling star 6

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    Down here in South Florida I see more Spanish and Black people than 'white'(I myself am Italian/olive, but I guess I'm classified as being white) people, so a White Pride day in Florida would be the "Proud minority" factor ;)

    I feel no need for a 'retaliation' of something that isn't a 'threat', although I hate the attitude where gay/black people bash straight/white people and say it's okay because straight/white people are "all phobes/racist", which in itself is a generalization and racism. I don't want to be put in the same category of people who do that to them and then told I'm racict if I retaliate to THAT attitude. I don't go around flashing my pride of being a straight, Italian/white male in people's faces and for people to do that to me and tell me that I'd be terrible if I did it, etc. but to tell me I'm racist if I DID do it when they're doing it is... [face_plain]
     
  21. Jymm_Roquand

    Jymm_Roquand Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Never once have I heard anything at a gay pride parade about pride of the suffereing they have over come. In fact they get away with a little too much in those parades including public nudity and such that should any straight person take part in they would be arrested. arrest someone in this parade and there would be a constant media hounding.

    Last time I checked the social suffering of a group did not justify legal exemption.
     
  22. Nrf-Hrdr

    Nrf-Hrdr Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Never once have I heard anything at a gay pride parade about pride of the suffereing they have over come

    Maybe not, but I'd have thought that kind of sentiment is pretty imbedded in the whole idea of gay pride marches ? isn't the real message of those things "It's okay to be gay"? Would anyone really go out of their way to say something like that if homosexuality was universally accepted, and not any kind of controversial issue at all?

    Likewise, what's the point in being actively proud of something as totally mundane and universally accepted as being straight? Why not have a 'brown hair pride' march while you're at it?
     
  23. LadyAnakinSkywalker

    LadyAnakinSkywalker Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    I'm proud to be a mostly-white American female, but I don't need some lame PARADE to feel good about myself.
     
  24. SithDewd

    SithDewd Jedi Knight star 5

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    Mostly-white? What does that mean?
     
  25. LadyAnakinSkywalker

    LadyAnakinSkywalker Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    I'm interracial. ;)
     
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