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Is Valorum weak or corrupt?

Discussion in 'Archive: The Phantom Menace' started by Marcus-Aurelius, Jul 20, 2004.

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  1. Marcus-Aurelius

    Marcus-Aurelius Jedi Youngling star 2

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    What do you think? I always thought he was weak. I can't believe that his aids were on the payroll of the Trade Federation, as Palpatine told Amidala.
     
  2. Wrath_Mania

    Wrath_Mania Jedi Padawan star 4

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    I'm glad the Republic got a strong, real leader like Palpatine :) Valorum would have let the Naboo Crisis just go on and on.

    Which is why this november, you will vote PALPATINE.
     
  3. AdamBertocci

    AdamBertocci Manager Emeritus star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Weak.



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  4. Jabba-wocky

    Jabba-wocky Chosen One star 10

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    It's possible he wasn't either. Really, one would have to assume the Senate became corrupt and non-functional long before he came to office.
     
  5. DarthBoba

    DarthBoba Manager Emeritus star 9 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Mired in baseless accusations of corruption, as Senator Palpatine said.
     
  6. Oakessteve

    Oakessteve Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    I can remember reading an interview with Terence Stamp at the time of The Phantom Menace's release that said George described Valorum as being a good man, but someone who was powerless to make any great changes to the Republic, so I suppose that would mean that he is weak. He also said that George described Valorum as being a bit like Clinton, but that will probably open up a whole political debate that I don't really want to get into!
     
  7. Panther50

    Panther50 Jedi Youngling star 3

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    It always looked to me like he was an honest man, he just didn't have the ability to exert any real leadership on the senate so he appeared weak and combined with the fact that he was facing allegations of corruption it is no surprise he was replaced.
     
  8. openmind

    openmind Jedi Padawan star 4

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    He was weak, but he did something unusually brave, that is sending Jedi as Ambassadors. He probably felt that if there was anyone who could convince the TF to quit the blockade, would be to get Jedi to "change their mind".

    However, the situation of a corrupt Senate and the unfortunate taxing for trade routes, was something way beyond his ability to address or fix. Of course, someone was able to manipulate the Senate to unanimously approve the taxation, which started the ball rolling. Naturally the TF (who is powerful, having an army as well) would not be happy with it.

     
  9. jedi_master_ousley

    jedi_master_ousley Force Ghost star 8

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    How did choosing to send Jedi make him brave? The whole reason the Jedi exist is to settle conflicts such as that.
     
  10. Darth-Stryphe

    Darth-Stryphe Former Mod and City Rep star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Weak gets my vote.
     
  11. Guinastasia

    Guinastasia Force Ghost star 6

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    So basically, he's the Jimmy Carter of the Republic?

     
  12. Marcus-Aurelius

    Marcus-Aurelius Jedi Youngling star 2

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    He seemed borderline incompetent.
     
  13. openmind

    openmind Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Sidious "This turn of events is unfortunate" - I feel this was where Sidious was suprised and unaware that the Chancellor actually dared to use the Jedi and so Sidious was left to accelerate plans.

    If the Chancellor didn't use Jedi, I think Sidious would have eventually got the Queen to sign the Treaty and the invasion would have been just more formality. No complaint to the Senate whatsoever.





     
  14. lorn_zahl

    lorn_zahl Jedi Master star 4

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    I never thought he was weak as a man, just weak as a polition because almost every body was against anything he said. For thats what I get from his body language, hes timid with everything he says because it could be the last straw.

    I've always felt sorry for the guy......
     
  15. DamonD

    DamonD Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Me too, but politics is a real cut-throat world and Valorum just didn't see the trap that was being wound around him.
     
  16. SomeRandomNerd

    SomeRandomNerd Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    I don't think he was either, really. I think it's just the fact he was (unknowingly) in a political battle with a Sith Lord that made him appear weak.
     
  17. gbonkers

    gbonkers Jedi Youngling star 2

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    I think that he was like any politician--he wants to do good, but doesn't expect the fact that there maybe someone with a difference of opinion to get anything done. Palpatine realizes that the bureaucrats and bureacracies are in charge, and they all resist change because it is a threat to their power. Welcome to gov't 101.

     
  18. Leto II

    Leto II Jedi Padawan star 6

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    Sort of like Jar Jar Binks getting revealed as Romano Prodi?
     
  19. gbonkers

    gbonkers Jedi Youngling star 2

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    Actually, I always that Jar Jar was the Lyndon B Johnson of the saga, complete with the ears, and dragging the repulic(ahem..country) into a war which was pretty much started with deception.
     
  20. anidanami124

    anidanami124 Jedi Master star 6

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    Neither I just don't think he saw what Palpaitne had planed. If he did he would have stopped him before he had Padme say what she did.
     
  21. JediSF

    JediSF Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Weak. The very way in which Vallorum dispatched the Jedi demonstrates he's weak. He has to do so in secret. If he held real power and sway over the Senate he could have garnered support and made his intentions obvious.
     
  22. SomeRandomNerd

    SomeRandomNerd Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    >>>>Weak. The very way in which Vallorum dispatched the Jedi demonstrates he's weak. He has to do so in secret. If he held real power and sway over the Senate he could have garnered support and made his intentions obvious.

    But it was obvious from the fact he dispatched the Jedi that he was siding with Naboo over the Trade Federation, and not acting impartially.

    Remember, the Republic isn't a dictatorship yet!
     
  23. JediSF

    JediSF Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Absolutely, not a dictatorship. But, in a democracy a strong leader honestly and confidently presents what he is going to do. He doesn't backdoor the governing body unless he's afraid that they won't support him.
     
  24. Samurai-Jack

    Samurai-Jack Jedi Youngling star 2

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    I believe that Valorum was being controlled by Sidious.
    How else can you explain the vacant stare he has on his face.
     
  25. poweranger

    poweranger Jedi Youngling star 2

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    he was NEITHER. he was merely outnumbered.(its one of the downsides of a demorcracy)

    keep in mind that he was the one who sent the jedi to sort things out on naboo...in secret
     
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