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Is Yoda faking it?

Discussion in 'Prequel Trilogy' started by FallenKnight88, Jun 2, 2005.

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  1. FallenKnight88

    FallenKnight88 Jedi Youngling star 3

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    After watching the PT I been wondering, when Yoda is walking is the cane really necessary? We've all seen how he is when he's in JEDI MASTER mode and know that he's quite agile. Heck, he was even able to move around quite well while he was escaping the Emperor in ROTS. Could it be that the Yoda uses the cane and labored walking as a means of psyching out an opponent by having them believe that he is quite incapable of fighting and in turn underestimate him in the same way that the Emperor uses his appearance as a harmless old man to his advantage? The OT I believe is legit though as he had gotten older and physically weaker and was no longer the same Jedi he was 20 years before, I'm just talking about the PT Yoda.

    I mean surely you would be caught off guard if this 3 foot tall creature walking w/ a cane w/ very labored breathing just all of the sudden went "crouching tiger" on your butt! Thoughts?
     
  2. Lord_Of_Sith

    Lord_Of_Sith Jedi Youngling star 1

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    I ask my girlfriend this *all* the time...

    I don't think she's being honest!
     
  3. FallenKnight88

    FallenKnight88 Jedi Youngling star 3

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  4. Jedi_Matt89

    Jedi_Matt89 Jedi Youngling

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    I've often wondered that myself, and after ROTS it seems like as FallenKnight said, psych out an opponent. But I think it could also be that the force is giving him some kind of super power, to be able to move the way he does so he can match up to, and overcome opponents IMO.
     
  5. BosskMaul

    BosskMaul Jedi Youngling star 1

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    I think his body is old and he has difficulty walking, but he can channel the force into huge bursts of power when he has to.
     
  6. achtungdaibut

    achtungdaibut Jedi Youngling star 1

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    I think he relies on the Force to allow him to walk and fight without the cane.

    I don't think the 20 years to ESB makes a huge difference to someone who is 880 years old. You can see after he moves the X-Wing he's knackered as soon as he let's go of the Force.

    I'm in two minds about whether it's a ploy or not to walk with a cane. As the Jedi know he is kick-ass..Obi-Wan says "You could be as good as Master Yoda" to Anakin in AoTC..Dooku is aware of his skill with a Lightsaber as well so the Sith must know.
     
  7. FallenKnight88

    FallenKnight88 Jedi Youngling star 3

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    "I don't think the 20 years to ESB makes a huge difference to someone who is 880 years old. You can see after he moves the X-Wing he's knackered as soon as he let's go of the Force."

    But then again, he didn't actually spend those 20 years doing the same things he had done for the past 800+. His life took a complete 180 after the events in ROTS both mentally and PHYSICALLY.
     
  8. Ghost_Jedi

    Ghost_Jedi Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    Yoda is not a faker, when he fights he is channeling the force, and allowing the force to move his body.
     
  9. Rouge_Three

    Rouge_Three Jedi Youngling star 1

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    I would say that Yoda doesn't like to exert himself and constantly use the force to allow him to walk. Rather than exhaust himself, he ony uses the force when he has to. He'd probably wear out much faster if he held himself up all the time.
     
  10. Darth_Spartan

    Darth_Spartan Jedi Youngling star 2

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    Yoda uses the force to move his body so quickly during fights. When he's walking around, he's not using the force and thus his age shows by him needing a cane.
     
  11. Jedi-freek

    Jedi-freek Jedi Youngling

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    I think he likes getting into peoples head having his enemie think he's weak and then catching them off guard for thinking he's crippled
     
  12. Darth_Masticator

    Darth_Masticator Jedi Youngling star 1

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    the little green guy definitely could've benefited from some flexall 45 from joe namath
     
  13. FallenKnight88

    FallenKnight88 Jedi Youngling star 3

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    "I think he likes getting into peoples head having his enemie think he's weak and then catching them off guard for thinking he's crippled"

    That's what I always thought.

     
  14. JediJimboni

    JediJimboni Jedi Youngling

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    i see ur point but hes always on a can while he is in the presence of fellow jedi and in AOTC he even has to use a hover chair and that was while he was talking with his fellow jedi. so how is he trying to phsyche out the dark side if hes "faking it" wen the dark side isnt even present?
     
  15. FallenKnight88

    FallenKnight88 Jedi Youngling star 3

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    Maybe he's just being an a** :)

    Homer Simpson voice:

    "I'm Yoda, I don't have to walk around cause I have this floating chair...I don't need a lightsaber cause I can deflect lighting with my bare hands...I'm the number one jedi in the order blah..blah..blah."

    Once again :) I love Yoda, i'm just playin.
     
  16. DarthDannyboy

    DarthDannyboy Jedi Youngling

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    This is my first time on any kind of forum, but I have to speak on this. For anyone who would think that Yoda would fake old age, injury, etc., is insane. As far as I'm concerned he is the most pure Jedi ever and despite the consequences or situation would never dupe anyone. His knowledge and use of the Force allows him to OVERCOME his physical shortcomings. Yoda is the ominipresent Jedi of all six chapters and doesn't need trickery to catch an opponent off guard.
     
  17. FallenKnight88

    FallenKnight88 Jedi Youngling star 3

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    Dude, I'm not trying to knock Yoda or anything. I'm a big fan of Yoda, in my eyes he's only 2nd to my favorite Jedi (Obi-wan) I'm just saying that it's amazing in my eyes for Yoda to do such a 180 when I constantly see him walking with a cane and having labored breathing. In addition there are other times, when he's not in force mode when he doesn't even use his cane or walks with a struggle.

    For example when he hopped on top of Chewy, no struggle there and when he got up from the Emperors force blast, he didn't use his cane to sit up right.

    I'm just saying that if he is faking it then that is a really cool strategy to use. Having your opponent underestimate you is a big advantage in battle. If he's not faking it than so be it but I just can't buy the whole "the force is giving him all of his energy" stuff. If that's the case then why can't any other Jedi move like that like Mace for instance who is 2nd to Yoda.

    But don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to degrade Yoda in any way, he's one of my favorite characters.
     
  18. DarthDannyboy

    DarthDannyboy Jedi Youngling

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    I love the topic and am not jumpin' on you in any way, but quite literally my earliest memory is sitting in a theatre and watching the lil' green guy yank a starfighter out the muck. I was three years old at the time and haven't forgotten it. The biggest thing for me now was how labored he was afterward when he stopped using the Force to that extent. It is obvious, to me, with his age and condition, he wouldn't be able to do the things he could do, even in the prequels without the use of the Force. He's almost 900 years old even then.
     
  19. DarthDannyboy

    DarthDannyboy Jedi Youngling

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    By the way, as for Yoda climbing up Chewies arm, I'm sure through the pain he felt through the Jedi's deaths, and him having to decapitate two officers he knew it was time to get out in hurry. He used a teency weencie amount of the Force to get on a faster and more mobile biped to get the heck outta Dodge.
     
  20. FallenKnight88

    FallenKnight88 Jedi Youngling star 3

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    "It is obvious, to me, with his age and condition, he wouldn't be able to do the things he could do, even in the prequels without the use of the Force. He's almost 900 years old even then."

    But then again lets compare the PT Yoda w/ the OT Yoda.

    After using the force during the PT I don't recall Yoda looking very exhausted afterwards. Against the Emperor, Yoda looked more exhausted while trying to get away from the Emperor. Against Dooku, Yoda didn't seem overly exhausted at all.

    However during the OT, Yoda was quite spent after lifting the X-wing.

    I think the best way to look at this is by comparing Yoda's reaction in AOTC when he prevents that giant tube from smushing Anakin and Obi-wan and compare that to his reaction from lifting the X-wing in ESB. In AOTC he seems much more relaxed as he drops the tube whereas in ESB he is quite exhausted. It's little differences like these that make me question whether or not Yoda is in actuality "acting" when he uses his walking stick. By the OT it's understandable considering him being in exile for 20 years and not as "force active" as he used to be.
     
  21. DarthDannyboy

    DarthDannyboy Jedi Youngling

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    I disagree. I take the post-Dooku fight as Yoda having to catch his breath. With two of the most promising Jedi injured during their own fight, he still has to summon his cane to go over to them. With Dooku already gone he had no reason to hide his age. His stopping the piller sapped almost everything he had in him. The Force is used for knowledge and defense and he used it as such.
     
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