Jabba and Jiliac family tree

In page 182 of The Paradise Snare, Jabba is clearly referred to as Jiliac's great-nephew. Zavval says, "This unfortunate individual revealed--before succumbing to a weak heart--that he was recruited and sent upon his villainous missions by you and your great-nephew, Jabba." when speaking to Jiliac.

Wookieepedia, however, states that Jiliac is the brother of Ziro, Zorba, et al. However, as a great-uncle of Jabba, Ziro should be the brother of Mama the Hutt or Ziro's dad. Am I missing something here?

 

You are absolutely correct. I have pointed out before on the forums that Jiliac is technically Jabba's great uncle / great aunt (depending on season!), which DOES make Jiliac the uncle / aunt of Zorba and therefore sibling to Mama the Hutt or else Zorba's dad (if such a person exists, since Ziro's dad need not be the father of Mama's other children, especially since she could have mothered at least SOME of her kids all by herself).

 

It's been years since I've read the trilogy, but I think that was only applicable in Paradise Snare. He is referred to as Zorba's sibling throughout the other two books.

 

From what I recall, Jiliac was never specifically referred to as Zorba's sibling. Jabba simply addressed him/her as "Uncle" or "Aunt" depending on the timeframe.

 

Hutts live for a very long time. There is always the possibility of them having more offspring after starting one dynasty, only to make a new one.

I know some people in real life who are uncles of people older than them. It is possible this is what happened.

 

I checked further, and apparently http://www.holonetnews.com/48/regional/13321_5.html has Jiliac referring to Zorba as "our brother". So now we have 2 sources, Holonet News and The Paradise Snare, offering differing views on Jiliac's place in the family tree. Which takes precedence? Does Jiliac's reference to Zorba as "our brother" mean in a literal term as brother, or as in Hutt clan brother?

 

I have an example of this in my family, My uncle in Israel(Mom's sister's husband) is the youngest of thirteen siblings. He in his early 60's and has sisters in their late eighties, he has several nieces and nephews his own age or older. So it is possible.

If it is possible in our world with human lifespans I imagine it is quite common among the a fictional species that can live for thousands of years like the hutts.

 

is there any way Jiliac can be uncle and great-uncle or whatever at the same time? because that would be possible as well... like with humans.

imagine Hutt Mom and Hutt Dad have a brother Jiliac... and brother Jiliac is thus uncle to their hutt children. yet if brother Jiliac, crazy as Hutts are decides to have offspring with one said Hutt child, he is great uncle and uncle of any hutt offspring the other child will have

 

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age has nothing to do with whether an individual is an uncle or great-uncle. An uncle is simply the sibling of a grandparent. Regardless of age, if Jiliac is Jabba's great uncle, he is the sibling of Jabba's parent.

To the best of my knowledge, Zorba is the sole parent of Jabba, meaning Jiliac must be the uncle--not sibling--of Zorba (when the HNN called them brothers, at the time I sighted that as an error, although as has been pointed out the term "brother" could be used in a broader sense here). However, if Jabba is the offspring of a sexual union, it is possible Jiliac could be Zorba's brother and ALSO the uncle of Jabba's assumed mother.

 

Seriously, somebody check Hutt Gambit and Rebel Dawn because I'm 99% certain that Paradise Snare's single reference to "Great-Uncle" Jiliac was then overruled by numerous explicit mentions that he was Zorba's sibling.

 

The name 'Zorba' does not even show up in the Hutt Gambit, have to check Rebel Dawn.

Does anyone have access to the Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia? That should give Lucasfilm's "final" answer on Jiliac... what does it say?

 

I don't know about the original novels Jiliac appeared in, but the other sources with him in it generally call him Jabba's uncle (or call Jabba his nephew). These include The New Essential Guide to Characters, pp. 88-89, and The Essential Chronology and The New Essential Chronology, the information on pg. 29 in the former reprinted on pg. 93 in the latter.

Oh, one exception: Hutt! Hutt! Hutt! #7 refers to Jabba as Jiliac's offspring. Have fun with that one.

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The entries on Jabba, Zorba, and the Desilijic clan do not mention him.

 

that proves/disproves nothing...a great-uncle/great-nephew CAN be simply referrend to as an "uncle" or a "nephew"--I seldom go to the trouble of calling Joy my "Great Aunt", although that IS technically what she is

 

I didn't claim it proved anything, but I do think it serves as evidence that the "great uncle" reference may be incorrect. While conversationally it is common to omit full relational titles, I would think it would be actively misleading to make that elision in a reference work.

 

the omission would only be misleading if intentional...the writers of the encyc may have overlooked the PS reference entirely