Jedi bodies vanishing vs. bodies being burned when dead.

Why is it when Joda or Obi-Wan died their bodies dissapeared, but when Darth Vader or Qui-Gon died they didn't go anywhere and their bodies were burned????

 

I never could figure that one out after TPM came out because i always though that senice vader was a darkside user that he did not dissaper but then it did it to gui gon????

 

George Lucas says:

"The Qui-Gon Jinn thing you will discover as time goes on. There is a whole issue around that and the ability to disappear. The key line to understanding this is when Ben Kenobi tells Darth Vader, 'If you try to strike me down, I will become more powerful than you can possibly imagine'... So, that's a key line. And it'll be explained as we go along."

-And-

"One of the things that will never get explained in the films is how Ben was able to retain his identity, because it happened somewhere in between the third and fourth movies. I set up that this is a discipline that he learned from Yoda; Yoda told him how to do that. We don't ever get to see how he does it, but the idea of retaining your identity after you've passed on is something that Ben learned as a Jedi."

 

I think it has to do something with them giving themselves to the force.

Obi wasnt struck down, he gave himself, he was ready to die.

Yoda didnt get killed, he was ready to die, he gave himslef to the force.

Qui was killed and Vader died because of injuries due the emporer and the force lightning.

And thier bodies were burned in tradition, kinda like the vikings used to do.

So I think it is a level achieved with training. Could also be what Qui was trying to do as he knelt down and concentrated before he fought Maul.

 

It will be answered in EP3 because we all know there will be plenty of dieing Jedi in that movie

 

I think it has to do something with them giving themselves to the force.

In a way, I think Vader was ready to die. True, he hadn't planned things to happen the way they did, but after he tosses the Emperor he seems to realize his life has been completed. Luke tries several times to prolong Vader's life (first by not letting him commit suicide by throwing himself into the shaft, then by trying to drag him off the DS), but Vader resists.

If that's not readiness for death and unification with the Force, I don't know what is.

 

What I couldn't understand was Vader did not disappear but you still saw his spirit at the end ROTJ - I thought the whole idea was by disappearing you released your spirit into the world.

Vader did quite a lot of nasty things before he died, perhaps the honour of disappearing is only available to the most worthy of Jedi. Almost like a state of Nirvana.

 

Actually, he didn't burn Anakin's body, he only burned his suit. I think his body went with the DS II.

 

Didn't I read somewhere that when Qui-Gon yelled "No Anakin. No!" in ATOC's it was the first time that a Jedi had done something like that? That Yoda was surprised by the possibility?

 

I have trouble imagining Qui-Gon was more prepared to die than, say, the Jedi who died in the arena. Didn't they walk in there knowing their lives were in danger?

If Qui-Gon is a Force ghost, that puts a kink in a lot of popular fan theories about disappearing Jedi.

 

I think it's if you die in battle, you don't disappear unless it's in surrender/giving yourself to the Force.

Qui-Gon wasn't expecting to die, and he got stabbed in a fight. He didn't disappear.

A few Jedi are seen dying on-screen in Episode II (I know this is the OT forum), and they don't disappear. They are shot or something, so, they're dying in battle. Again, not ready to die, not giving themselves to the Force.

Obi-Wan gives himself to the Force, and it happens to be right before Vader swung at him. Notice there weren't two different parts of Obi-Wan on the floor and then they disappeared, they disappeared before he was struck. He basically did what Yoda did, just so happened it was in a duel.

Yoda does the sacrificing to the Force, as he is completed with his life.

Vader is injured and most of his life-ending injuries occur in his fight with Luke and with dispatching of the Emperor. Both are fights, and I don't think Vader wanted to die. The good in him resurfaced and he wanted to make amends with his children, but earlier injuries he had sustained (But you'll die...Nothing can stop that now) from Luke and the Emperor's lightning just eroded away his ability to function. That is why he did not disappear.

It's possible that, like Qui-Gon and Vader, all the fallen Jedi from Episode II were burned in their memory.

 

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