Jedi Council Members from pre TPM throughout Revenge of the Sith

Before TPM
1 Mace Windu
2 Yoda
3 Micah Giiett
4 Plo Koon
5 Eeth Koth
6 Saesee Tiin
7 Adi Gallia
8 Depa Billaba
9 Yarael Poof
10 Yaddle
11 Oppo Rancisis
12 Even Piell

Other Jedi Council members before TPM
Tyvokka
Syfo-Dias? (unsure thanks to Leto II)
During TPM
1 Mace Windu
2 Yoda
3 Ki-Adi-Mundi
4 Plo Koon
5 Eeth Koth
6 Saesee Tiin
7 Adi Gallia
8 Depa Billaba
9 Yarael Poof
10 Yaddle
11 Oppo Rancisis
12 Even Piell

During AOTC
1 Mace Windu
2 Yoda
3 Ki-Adi-Mundi
4 Plo Koon
5 Eeth Koth
6 Saesee Tiin
7 Adi Gallia
8 Depa Billaba
9 Coleman Trebor
10 Shaak Ti
11 Oppo Rancisis
12 Even Piell

During ROTS.
1 Mace Windu
2 Yoda
3 Ki-Adi-Mundi
4 Plo Koon
5 Saesee Tiin
6 Shaak Ti
7 Agen Colar
8 Stass Allie
9 Kit Fisto?
10
11
12
13?

Help me out guys, I think it would be cool to see the transition. Can anyone help me fill this out? thanks

 

Plo Koon replaced Tyvokka around the time of the Stark Hyperspace Conflict (44 BBY).

Mace Windu joined the council when he was 28. (44 BBY - a little before Plo Koon did).

Clone Wars cartoon shows a Council of

Mace
Yoda
Ki-Adi-Mundi
Stass Allie
Agen Kolar
Saesee Tiin
Kit Fisto
Obi-Wan Kenobi
Oppo Rancisis
Even Piell
Plo Koon

 

You forgot the mysterous Syfo-Dias from pre-tpm.

 

Was he a council member? I think he was just a jedi

 

If I renember right in AOTC's the Kamionos say he was a council member.

 

Yeah I believe LOE said he was on the council.

 

"Syfo-Dyas" [sic] is mentioned above in that list.

But as to precisely *when* he served on the Council -- or, more accurately, IF he ever served in the High Council -- remains to be established, considering there's such a vanishingly small window in which that could've occurred. Lama Su's exact quote reads:

"Master Sifo-Dyas is still a leading member of the Jedi Council, is he not?"

...which could signify -- as a proper fix -- that Sifo-Dyas in fact DID NOT serve as a true, bona fide High Council member, but possibly on one of the lesser councils that have been canonically established to exist within the Temple.

Indeed, this would be entirely in keeping with not only his personal characterization as alluded to in Labyrinth of Evil, but also of the High Council's attitude in general towards the "grey Jedi" or mavericks in the order...neither Qui-Gon nor Dooku, two of the greatest living Jedi, ever held a seat, nor would Anakin Skywalker without Palpatine's official intervention. Kenobi's words to his master in the film were quite politically sound.

Essentially, the primary timeframe in which Sifo-Dyas's High Council term could have elapsed during was after Micah Giiett's death, but before the tendering of the offer to Ki-Adi-Mundi in "Prelude to Rebellion." Lama Su's dialogue suggests that Sifo-Dyas was a member when the clone army itself was ordered, although this could have been sexy-ed up slightly by Dooku when he assumed Sifo's identity in later years.

As it stands, it's a slight conundrum.

 

A good fix would be to have Sifo-Dyas replace Giett, and then, after Sifo-Dyas dies, Ki-Adi-Mundi takes his place.

There are two small problems here

1) The end of AoW and Prelude to Rebellion imply that Ki-Adi-Mundi directly took over from Giett. (Especially Mace Windu's dialogue in AoW)

2) Sifo-Dyas' death must take place a little AFTER TPM, since I think its established that Dooku was still a member in good standing with the order while TPM took place.

Oh, and Leto, I think the quote in AotC is meant to imply the Jedi High Council, so let's see if we can solve the conundrum without using dodgy fixes springing from hair-splitting on dialogue...

 

Here's my idea for how the Council roster changes.

c. 45 BBY - Pre Stark Hyperspace War/Jedi Apprentice series

Yoda
Tyvokka
Micah Giett
Oppo Rancisis
Yaddle
Saesee Tiin
Even Piell
Yarael Poof
Eeth Koth
(unknown Master1)
(unknown Master2)
(unknown Master3)

c. 44 BBY (Jedi Apprentice/Stark Hyperspace War)

Mace Windu replaces (unknown Master1)
Plo Koon replaced Tyvokka

(Note: During the War, Adi Gallia and Depa Billaba "fill-in" for Unknown Master2 and 3.)


between 44 BBY and 32 BBY

Depa Billaba and Adi Gallia join the Council.

pre 32 BBY

Micah Giett is replaced by Sifo-Dyas.
Sifo-Dyas is replaced by Ki-Adi-Mundi

between 32 BBY and 22 BBY

Yaddle dies, and is replaced by Shaak Ti
Yarael Poof dies and is replaced by Coleman Trebor

22 BBY

Coleman Trebor and Eeth Koth die at Geonosis and are replaced with Agen Kolar and (Kit Fisto?).

Clone Wars

Stass Allie replaces Adi Gallia.

Depa Billaba goes nuts replaced, by ?

? is replaced by Obi-Wan Kenobi

Even Piell, Oppo Rancisis are replaced by Pablo-Jill(?) and ?


Something like that.

The problem is, the EU likes to screw the pooch by having Council Members appear when they shouldn't, like Yarael, Depa, and Coleman(!) appearing in Republic, and Depa and Adi appearing in Stark Hyperspace War.

 

From the OS:

Jocasta Nu served as Archives Director for over 30 years, attending the position after a decade-long term on the Jedi Council

Therefore, she began serving as Archives Director in 52 BBY (30 years before AoTC), and began her term on the Council in 62 BBY. (She must've been young..)

 

Oh, and Leto, I think the quote in AotC is meant to imply the Jedi High Council, so let's see if we can solve the conundrum without using dodgy fixes springing from hair-splitting on dialogue...

Hey...I TRAFFIC in dodgy fixes springing from hair-splitting on dialogue.

Sifo-Dyas's demise does indeed come after TPM ("Master Sifo-Dyas was killed almost ten years ago"), but since Dooku's turn occurred after that film, it's quite probable that the Count simply talked up Dyas's status to the Kaminoans when it was clear that he was not even a councilman, having suffered from a slight case of death.

The quickest "fix" for this is that post-AoW, pre-PtR window, and it is dodgy in parts, but unless Dark Horse comes up with a "lost years" story set between TPM and "Emissaries to Malastare" or whatever, the other spackle-alternative would be to remove Sifo from the High Council altogether.

Defeats the intent of Lucas's scene, I know, but it's about the only way to preserve what's come before.

 

but since Dooku's turn occurred after that film, it's quite probable that the Count simply talked up Dyas's status to the Kaminoans when it was clear that he was not even a councilman, having suffered from a slight case of death.

But there's a problem with that. Obi-Wan responds with "Sifo-Dyas was killed ten years ago..." not "He was never a member of the Council."

Then, if I recall, Obi-Wan uses Sifo-Dyas and the Council interchagably when talking to Yoda and Mace Windu.

Surely the three of these Jedi knew he was or wasn't sitting next to them 10 years ago!

(I could have sworn we had 13 members!)

 

Right, I'm not saying that Sifo-Dyas *wasn't* a member of the Council, it's that it appears he got booted probably some time on the cusp of TPM, or right afterward. And Labyrinth (IIRC) makes mention of Sifo's council status, which Dooku would've had to have maintained for the charade.

<sigh>

If only Lucas had kept his original, Geonosian-glottal-corrupted "Sidious"/"Sido-Dyas" concept from the earlier drafts...

 

Fair enough then....

 

Jedi Councillors:

pre-TPM

T'un (c. 94-43 BBY)
Tor Difusal (c. 90-44 BBY)
Tyvokka (c. 80-44 BBY)
Jocasta Nu (c. 63-53 BBY)
Micah Giiett (c. 45-33 BBY)
Sifo-Dyas (? if at all?)
Dooku could have lied to Lama Su about Sifo-Dyas being a Councillor; OB1 confirms Dyas was a Jedi, but not a Councillor

TPM
1Yoda (c. 390-19 BBY)
2Oppo Rancisis (c. 91-19 BBY)
3Eeth Koth (c. 45-22 BBY)
4Saesee Tiin (c. 45-19 BBY)
5Mace Windu (44-19 BBY)
6Plo Koon (44-19 BBY)
7Adi Gallia (c. 43-19 BBY)
8Yaddle (39-25 BBY)
9Yarael Poof (c. 34-27 BBY)
10Even Piell (c. 34-19 BBY)
11Depa Billaba (c. 34-22 BBY)
12Ki-Adi-Mundi (32-22 BBY)

AOTC
1Yoda (c. 390-19 BBY)
2Oppo Rancisis (c. 91-19 BBY)
3Eeth Koth (c. 45-22 BBY)
4Saesee Tiin (c. 45-19 BBY)
5Mace Windu (44-19 BBY)
6Plo Koon (44-19 BBY)
7Adi Gallia (c. 43-21 BBY)
8Coleman Trebor (27-22 BBY)
9Shaak Ti (25-19 BBY)
10Even Piell (c. 34-19 BBY)
11Depa Billaba (c. 34-22 BBY)
12Ki-Adi-Mundi (32-22 BBY)

General Grievous
1Yoda (c. 390-19 BBY)
2Oppo Rancisis (c. 91-19 BBY)
3Agen Kolar (22-19 BBY)
4Saesee Tiin (c. 45-19 BBY)
5Mace Windu (44-19 BBY)
6Plo Koon (44-19 BBY)
7"Mr. Purple" (c. 21-20 BBY)
note: Purple and Leems's positions may be reversed
8Maks Leem? (c. 22-20 BBY)
9Shaak Ti (25-19 BBY)
10Even Piell (c. 34-19 BBY)
11Kit Fisto (c. 22-19 BBY)
12Ki-Adi-Mundi (32-22 BBY)

CW Cartoon
1Yoda (c. 390-19 BBY)
2Oppo Rancisis (c. 91-19 BBY)
3Agen Kolar (22-19 BBY)
4Saesee Tiin (c. 45-19 BBY)
5Mace Windu (44-19 BBY)
6Plo Koon (44-19 BBY)
7Stass Allie (c.20-19 BBY)
8Obi-Wan Kenobi (c.20-19 BBY)
9Shaak Ti (25-19 BBY)
10Even Piell (c. 34-19 BBY)
11Kit Fisto (c. 22-19 BBY)
12Ki-Adi-Mundi (32-22 BBY)

ROTS
1Yoda (c. 390-19 BBY)
2Pablo-Jill (c. 19-19 BBY)
3Agen Kolar (22-19 BBY)
4Saesee Tiin (c. 45-19 BBY)
5Mace Windu (44-19 BBY)
6Plo Koon (44-19 BBY)
7Stass Allie (c.20-19 BBY)
8Obi-Wan Kenobi (c.20-19 BBY)
9Shaak Ti (25-19 BBY)
10Anakin Skywalker (19-19 BBY)
11Kit Fisto (c. 22-19 BBY)
12Ki-Adi-Mundi (32-22 BBY)

 

Awesome, I think you got it right. Can you just tell me what you are refering to with the dates in parenthesis? When they first appeared? When they die? What is it? Also where did you find T'un? Is their some literature I should look up for him?

 

There is a Quermian Jedi in the Council between AOTC and the Grievous comic ( republic 61) :

[image=http://modi1138.atw.hu/jcrep61.GIF]

and my Councillors list:


mylist

 

Cool, my reference to "Mr Purple" has stuck!

I reckon that there is still enough time for Sifo-Dyas to fit on the council between Acts of War and Outlander.

We never see Ki appointed to the council in either Acts of War or Prelude to Rebellion. I reckon that Yoda was outvoted, and the rest of the council chose Sifo-Dyas. Sifo came in, ordered the clones as a council member, then got killed.

 

There is a Quermian Jedi in the Council between AOTC and the Grievous comic ( republic 61) :

That's an error. Notice you can also see Depa Billaba and Coleman Trebor.

 

Mr. Purple should be his canon name. Just do an anagram, maybe.

Elp-rup Retsim

See? Looks Jedi-ish.

T'un is from the Jedi Apprentice books. The Uncertain Path.

The dates are earliest known time on Council until latest known time on Council. c.=circa (about), ie, earliest known example seen, while more concrete dates are from known specific times of starting on the COuncil (ie, Mundi in the comics, definite statements about Mace in Shatterpoint).

Some characters are a bit sketchy. Yoda was already a member for some time when Dooku was 13, but apparently not at the time of the Chu'unthor crash.

 

I am fairly certain Purple and Leem must go between Gallia/Allie and Billaba/Kenobi, since all the other "replacement Councillors" are already on the Council in General Grievous; probably Leem between Billaba/Kenobi, since Leem's death in Dark Rendezvous happens immediately before Kenobi's first known Council appearance (when discussing making Ani a knight).

 

Xzylon's post(the one with all of the times and the members in the council) really de-confused me. If that's even a word.

 

So we can probably say

Coleman -> Leem -> Kenobi
Gallia -> Mr Purple -> Allie
Rancisis -> Pablo-Jill
Piell -> Skywalker
Billaba -> Kit "Flyin'" Fisto

 

Yeah, that makes sense. Why do you say Flyin with Kit Fisto? He doesn't fly, does he?

 

"Flyin'" Fisto...its a joke about his...urm..."adult" sounding name.