Jedi marriage?

Im almost positve that this has been discussed to some degree and i did a forum search to see if the topic exist and i didn't see any matches and ive only very recently allowed my self to start reading a bit of the EU. My question is rather simple. Marriage of Jedi to any is not permitted. It is the notion that Jedi are "married" to the Order through ritual devotion, serving the Republic's needs over all else. It is believed that marital unions unnecessarily create tension within a Jedi's life and may result in clouded judgement and rash action. Jedi who have children are not granted full visiting rights, in order to prevent permament attachment with the outside family members. This being said Luke married Mara jade and started a family. isn't Luke going against Jedi Dogma? or has he rewritten the dogma floating about this subject. Also woulden't Luke very likely see the reasons surrounding his mother and father and how his secret relationship was one of the keypoints that led to his downfall? but it seems common place enough now in the order for anyone to really take notice

 

Luke didn't know what caused Anakin to fall until long after the movies(because the authors didn't know it when they wrote the vast majority of the EU.) It's simply a piece of dogma that Luke didn't know and decided didn't need to be changed when he learned it had been a rule. He also trains Jedi later and while he's told them that they'll have to put the Order first I don't think he'll ever forbid marriage.

 

Luke's Jedi order doesn't follow all of the rules set down by the old Jedi order. Luke allows his students to marry and have children.

 

The rule "A Jedi shall not know love" was a fallacy and detrimental to the Jedi.

 

It also was never a rule in the Jedi Order. The only rule was against attatchments.

 

Which of course, are basically shown to be more or less OK in the OT, IMO.

*Poses a question*

If Luke had not had the emotional attachment to Vader as his father, would turning him back ever have occured to him?

 

It was never a strict rule and more of a guideline. But when Luke rebuilds the Jedi order it is quite different. It's no longer bound by the old the traditions that the Jedi of old had become more and more stuck in. Had the Jedi been less dependant on rules than listening to their feelings and the Force, they may have fared better.

 

No, but had Luke not had his attatchments under control, he'd have fallen to the Dark Side. Anakin also wouldn't have been redeemed if he hadn't let go of his own attatchments and been willing to sacrifice himself.

 

I do not think that the Jedi were necessarily forbidden from marrying. Lucas has said that the Jedi are not necessarily celibate, just that they must remain unattached (which seems counter-intuitive to me given the moral play that Star Wars is). So perhaps Jedi could marry if they remain unattached (but again, I wouldn't see the point). Didn't Ki-Adi-Mundi have wives in the EU? In his case, if I recall, his species was in decline, so perhaps marriage was really only compatible with the Jedi Code in special situations like that, at least in the Old Republic anyway. I really can't say for the New Republic. I was under the impression that Jedi could marry unrestricted in the New Jedi Order, but I could be mistaken.

 

DARTH_MARK-22 Posted : The rule "A Jedi shall not know love" was a fallacy and detrimental to the Jedi. :

If the Orginal Rules where in place to prevent the kind of blind and rash judgments Anakin made over padme ''Willing to go to any length to save her even if it mean's going to the darkside of betraying the jedi order and his friends to do so'' if such a guide line was in place with that in mind then how could it be detrimental to the Jedi? If anything woulden't it be more of a protective measure for the order and ultimately the galaxy. Monks preist and Nun's of all religions take Vow's of celibacy.That's not to say that people won't fall in love. Obiwan had Siri Tachi but the two knew to back off and look at the larger picture. Qui-gon's love for Tahl almost drove him to the darkside so personally i think there is some vaildity in the rule

 

But on the other hand, if Anakin's marriage to Padmé was known by the Council, then maybe he wouldn't have feared so much for her life. Anakin knew he couldn't turn to the Council for help when he had his visions of her dying. The best he could do was an anonymous request to Yoda to see what he could do.

Anyway, in Luke's Jedi Order, no Jedi has yet had to face the same situation that Anakin did. Anakin's own fears were what caused him to fall.

 

That's how I see it. It was Anakin's fear and attachment. I think it's the attachment and not marriage that causes the problem. You can love and be married, but attachment leads to jealousy which is what causes the problem.

 

I thought the Jedi Code said that you can't marry but you can have sex many times.

 

i never read anywhere in the code that a jedi can go off and have as many bed fellow's as he or she please's i must never have read that version.
There is no emotion, there is peace

Emotions are a natural part of living. As the great sagas have shown us, Jedi are not immune to feeling emotions. Jedi Master Obi-Wan Kenobi and Master Yoda both openly express their sorrow when they discover the death of younglings at the newly-appointed Darth Vader's hand. This tenet is not to say that emotion does not exist but that it ought to be set aside. Emotions must be understood first, and it is a young Jedi's duty to explore his feelings. Unless a Jedi can confront his thoughts and feelings, he will never achieve peace. Emotions, then, are not to be overcome or denied, but rather understood and dealt with. A'Sharad Hett reminds the young Anakin Skywalker of this during their campaigns together during the Clone Wars. Hett points out that Anakin's anger is understandable, but he must face it. This tenet could be modified to read "Emotion cannot take away my peace."

There is no ignorance, there is knowledge


A Jedi must be circumspecting and try to understand the world that is surrounding him. That ignorance does not exist is, of course, a flat-out lie or gross misunderstanding. Ignorance is a part of life but it must not be feared. For more knowledge to light their way, the Jedi Temple Archives contains possibly the single largest source of information in the galaxy, but this tenet also reminds the Knight that knowledge can be taken from the most unusual places. The great Master Yoda demonstrated this to the young Luke Skywalker on Dagobah when he acted like a fool, and when he acted childish in front of younglings. This performance was meant to teach Luke and the younglings the simple fact: even the foolish can be wise. Indeed, while instructing younglings, Master Yoda was often heard to remark that "Truly wonderful the mind of a child is." This tenet is what gives the Jedi his open mind and ability to accept what other beings would tend to see as unacceptable. In other words, this tenet points out that often a Jedi must use not only his rational mind but also his intuitive mind in order to ascertain the truth of a situation. This tenet is embodied by Qui-Gon Jinn's statement to Anakin Skywalker to "feel, don't think." Dexter Jettster would further demonstrate this notion: "I should think you Jedi would have more respect for the difference between knowledge and wisdom."

There is no passion, there is serenity

This tenet is essentially a repetition of the first. But this refers more directly to situations of extreme stress in which a Jedi might be tempted to react strongly. That a Jedi must draw his weapon only in defense is an expression of this tenet. While emotions and intuition must be understood and utilized in a Jedi's daily life, he must never act rashly. Passionate use of power leads to the dark side. A Jedi must always act with a calm hand and an even temper.

There is no chaos, there is harmony

This statement reflects the cosmology of the Jedi Order. Whereas uninitiated beings see the universe as a chaotic and disconnected place, a Jedi realizes that all things are interconnected and, more importantly, interdependent. While an uninitiated being sees sorrow and tragedy in the workings of the universe, through the Force, a Jedi is able to interpret and understand even the most painful of life's events. Without this cosmology, surely the first tenets of the Jedi Code would be meaningless. After all, how could one possibly forsake love and compassion if he did not understand the truth of the universe: there is no chaos, there is harmony. Every event has a purpose. As the great Jedi Master Yoda told Anakin Skywalker once, "Death is a natural part of life." Minor inconveniences such as failure, disappointment, and disagreement are also inevitable and should be taken in stride. Jedi do not deny the fact that tragic and terrible things happen; they merely point out that tragedy is simply another part of l

 

Thats a good one, actually. Because we know Jedi's are supposed to avoid killing in all aspects, but a sith lord is one thing. Plus theres still the debate as to ben and yoda's intentions with Luke going against Vader.

 

I still say their intention was that he defeat Vader in combat with the willingness to kill him, need be (ala Ben's confrontation with Maul), but in any event, it wasn't his attachment to Luke that had him step in, it was his love for Luke. That's the key difference.

 

Jedis are just supposed to play the field, not get married.

Marraige= Kids
Kids= chunk of cash out your wallet

The Jedi Council has to focus it's funding elsewhere, thus marriage is banned within most Jedi circles.

 

It's odd that the old Jedi Order had this rule about attachments, yet its members proved to harbor an unhealthy attachment to the Order and each other.