Jedi Purges - How many have there been?

Rouge77 wrote in another topic

That begs the question, just how many purges have there been? What are these purges Rouge77 refering to?

Note: I only have a limited ammount of Star Wars books and graphic novels

 

I can only think of three off the top of my head. It's the sensible thing to do. Once the Sith get power, the first thing they would want to do is get rid of their enemies, no? And most of these "purges" aren't particularly successful.

 

Like BobaMatt said, there have been three Jedi purges that we know of:

The first purge happened during the Dark Wars right after the Jedi Civil War (basically the interval between KOTOR and KOTOR2). Sith Lords like Darth Sion sent out assassins to hunt down Jedi to the point where the Order completely disbanded.

The second purge happened between ROTS and ANH, we know all about that one.

The third purge happened after the Sith-Imperial War around 130 ABY. After the Massacre at Ossus, Krayt attempted to hunt down the rest of the Jedi.

I actually wouldn't be surprised if there was another purge during FOTJ,the recent blurb from MF saying that many people have begun to mistrust the Jedi after the events of LOTF.

 

Thanks but he did say this:

This is sixth in my counting - and third in DR's post-RotJ novels.

What are the other three???

 

The Yuuzhan Vong instituted a purge but it didn't go well. And Jacen gave orders to take out the temple, so I guess you could stretch that to count, but I don't think it really fits. If it does then so does Daala's attack with the Knight Hammer, and that's a bit bogus to me. The Vong one definitely does though, it appears to have been more effective then Kryat's, at least in terms of percentages.

 

There were probably less Jedi for the Vong to deal with. At the beginning of Legacy the Jedi had a Temple on Ossus AND Coruscant. I think the ones on Coruscant were completely wiped out, and I don't know how many escaped Ossus. If the Younglings that escaped on the shuttle and a few scattered around the galaxy were it then I think Krayt's purge was as effective as Palpatine's.

But I agree that every attack against the Jedi doesn't count as a purge.

 

I counted it thus: 1)The First Jedi Purge that ended in KOTOR II 2)The Jedi Purge that started with Order 66 3)The Jedi Purge we saw in NJO that was demanded and partly done by the YV 4)Jacen's partial attempt to do one in LotF 5)Krayt's Jedi Purge in Legacy and 6)now possibly this new one in FotJ. There has been lesser attacks against the Jedi, like in Darksaber and YJK, but I didn't count those.

 

My answer to the title question is too many-especially in such a short space of time.

 

First off, a possible one in the future doesn't count as one that's happened, yet. Second off, there's very little to suggest that there's going to be another purge right now.

 

An attempt to do one, then. With possibly significant Jedi casualties.

 

Where is this information coming from? There is an unseen threat targetting Jedi, but from the wording of the summary it sounds like it may not even be killing them.

 

Not it, but according to the new FotJ summary:

After Jacen's fall to the dark side, much of the galaxy sees Jedi Knights as rogue soldiers too dangerous and unstable to leave unfettered. It is a view shared by Chief Daala, who has sworn to bring the order under government control--or disband it entirely.

The Jedi will hardly accept the disbanding of the Order, do they? And what will Daala do then? Give up her plan? Hardly.

Combine this with the rumour about a Daala&Mandalorian alliance against the Moffs of IR, and that Mandalorians will according to that rumour be fighting against the Jedi, and we have the possibility of an alliance of Mandalorians and GA, whose intent is the destruction of the Jedi (and the Moffs). The One Sith will probably be secretly supporting Daala and the Mandalorians.

 

Isn't it a bit early for the One Sith to do too much?

After all, their success later on would depend on total secrecy until they can become stronger.

 

I think the real point is that the correct answer to this question is "to many".

 

I would say that the "purge" during the Sith-Imperial War that starts off the Legacy comics series isn't so much a purge as a scattering. The appearance of Krayt's legion of Sith caught the Jedi completely by surprise, and Krayt certainly intended to kill as many Jedi as he could. Probably quite a few died at the temples on Coruscant and Ossus. But we also know that some escaped. It has been our operating theory that of the many Jedi on various missions out in the galaxy, probably most survived. But they're scattered, cut off from their home bases, with no way to contact one another.

Krayt has bounties on Jedi, so there are bad guys looking for them. But there are also other Jedi looking for them, either on their own in hopes of just finding friends, or sent out from the Hidden Temple to find them and bring them home. But, just as with the survivors of Order 66, it's difficult to find your friends when you don't know where they are, when much of the galaxy has turned against you, and you yourself must remain in hiding.

 

I don't think the Dark Wars really count as a Purge, either.

 

Does the YV War really count as a purge? Wouldn't that make something like the New Sith Wars count as a purge as well?

 

I claim that the Sith Triumvirate's attack on the Jedi, the YV's and the Peace Brigades' actions against the Jedi and Darth Krayt's attacks against the Jedi all count as Purges, because in all of these cases the plan was to destroy the Jedi Order and in all cases the Jedi Order ended on the brink of destruction and it's remaining members were forced to hide.

 

I'm not sure I'd say the YV purge left the Jedi Order on the "brink of destruction". They had around 100 at the start of the war and lost less than half of that.

The first two definitely did. I'm not sure Krayt's has reached that point yet. At the moment, they're more scattered than wiped out.

 

I'd definitely call the Dark Wars era a purge, almost all the Jedi were hunted down and killed and the whole order collapsed. I'd say it was just as bad as Vader's purge.

 

It's really funny, after more than 20,000 years of serving the Republic, you would have thought that the general public wouldn't distrust the Jedi after every little thing that is happening. Plus, by now they should know the difference between Jedi and Sith, or darksiders to be exact. Okay, we all know that large groups of people can be pretty stupid, but no one is that stupid. It's getting pretty tiresome, to see the general public still be at the intelligence level from a few thousand years ago.

 

That is true, but I think some of it has to do with the recent history the galexy has gone through. I imagine it was differant when the Order was stable, and their reputation as peacemakers outweighed any of those that occasionally went bad. Plus the Old Order dealt with trouble makers within their ranks, to the point to where we would consider it harsh. But the harshness was necessary, as it kept most of them in line. People might have had some misconceptions about them, but I imagine they felt some trust.

Now the recent history of the galaxy, after several devestating wars. People are leary of Jedi, as a lot of these wars have been started by them. The people probably had also looked in their history books, and noticed a continuing pattern of this, that a lot of the bad wars in the past have been started by Force-users, with particularly negative galaxy-spanning consequences.
Adding to this with Luke's dubious behavior and his kinda-sorta brand of discipline, and the galaxy is right to be afraid.
I think most of the people of the galaxy have little understanding of the Force or Jedi, and see them as an Order of beings with some freaky supernatural powers and abilities that they don't really understand. And this spooks a lot of people, and its made worse when they see that person go Sith, with the resulting monsterous change in their features and behaviors.

 

well i guess the question becomes when is it a "purge" vs. say a war?

What about Exar Kun's adventures...he was readily and purposefully killing Jedi.

What about Ruusan? Bane "purged" a great deal of Jedi.

is there a systemic form to "purge" that is different from other forms of genocide?

Personally, I've considered "purges" to be exercises in eradication from the ultimate authority in the galaxy...nearly un-contested, state sponsored witch hunt.

In which case...there is only one true "purge".

 

That was one of the first thoughts that can to my mind when reading this thread. Just how effective was Exar Kun's pogrom?

Back when we just had TotJ, the entire Jedi Order seemed smaller, with just a few Jedi Masters training students on far flung worlds-- most of whom Exar Kun appeared to seduce at least one student from, thereby killing a large number of the senior Masters. The old descriptions of the pogrom in the TotJ Companion made it out as if Exar Kun shook the Order pretty badly with a "large" number of Masters being assassinated suddenly.

But, with the efforts since KOTOR to retcon the events of the Great Sith War to taking place on a much larger scale than the comics made out, just how many of the Jedi Masters got taken out during the Jedi pogrom? Exar Kun was able to just waltz into the Senate hall and take out Vodo and stroll out again without having a team of Jedi Masters come after him, so presumably even though there was no formal High Council, there weren't many left on Coruscant.

Of course, running counter to this is the fact Nomi Sunrider still manages to pull together the Jedi for a convocation, and amass a massive Jedi fleet to seal Exar Kun on Yavin IV. That would seem to imply that the pogrom did not substantially damage the Order's numbers; however, Kun only actually took out the Masters, leaving the apprentices ripe for seduction, so could we take it that the Jedi fleet at the end were mostly apprentices and junior knights?

I suppose that would give us a "Jedi Master Purge" at least.

 

This brings me to thisquestion: Has there ever beena Sith Purge of some sorts, or a sith schism?