Lit Jedi - Sith war or no Jedi - Sith war?

In the Star Wars Archives 1999-2005 George Lucas repeated that his Sith history had no war with the Jedi.

In both the Disney canon and Legends canon there was a Jedi and Sith war but Lucas own personal canon there was no war.

Which do you go with?

 

Jedi-Sith War...it's cooler more interesting and opens up more storytelling possibilities

 

The Maker.

 

But Lucas never saw the EU or Legends as his canon.

It was a sandbox that he allowed others to create but made it clear that it wasn't his Star Wars.

 

yeah but I don’t care what Lucas has to say. If he didn’t want legends to do something he has veto power.


And if he wanted Star Wars to be under his vision he wouldn’t have sold it

 

He sold it because he didn't want another backlash but wanted to do more. He reluctantly sold it.

He didn't bother with the EU because it wasn't his story so he allowed others to tell their own stories.

He saw his Star Wars and the EU as parallel universes.

 

yeah and now it’s no longer his.

he has no more power to dictate what the story is

 

I wish he did though but alas.

 

Lucas could have stopped the Lego Star Wars games and Star Wars Infinities from being published. Does that make the Lego Star Wars games and Star Wars Infinities canon?

Anyway, I think that when Lucas says he didn’t envision a Jedi-Sith War, I think he means that the Rule of Two existed for most of the Sith’s history and that Sith infighting was responsible for the majority of the deaths of the “Ruinite” Sith.

 

It is worth noting that Lucas did, in fact, issue directives to people in the EU, from forbidding any depiction of the clone wars until he was ready for it, to forbidding certain species from being jedi, and, most relevant to this conversation, giving the people writing about ancient jedi and sith history in Tales of the Jedi guidlines on how to portray jedi and sith.
So apparently things like there being a sith-jedi war or Luke having a wife were less important to George than making sure there were no gamorrean jedi.
Or wookiee ones...until he changed his mind and made one himself for clone wars, because GL is nothing if not a flipflopper.

But yeah, anyway, definitely put me in team Jedi-Sith War - as much as I think Legends might have overdone it with that theme, I won't pretend I am above the appeal of having a good excuse for frequent and large scale lightsaber fights.

Plus, I don't think it makes any sense for the Sith to be driven so much by revenge against the jedi if the jedi, you know, weren't actually responsible for the Sith's earlier defeat,* or, if we are take the idea of "no jedi-sith war" to its fullest extent, even oppose the sith rise to power. What the frell are they avenging?

* I mean, I could see the sith weakening themselves by fighting each other being a key role as well, and perhaps even the jedi not fighting them head to head in a big war but pulling Kerra Holt style Knight Errant shenigans on mass while the sith fight each other, but someone needs to finish off their empire, and drive the last sith or two into hiding.

 

@MercenaryAce

Ain' that the truth, that's why i hope for when we eventually get Old Republic stuff I hope for a more streamlined history of some sort...we don't need the Sith Empire contsntaly disappearing and reconsituting itself ....Just have it be something that is always ongoing.

 

Oh yeah, definitely. While I do want some kind of war, I do think it might be better to streamline things into a single, giant war rather than an eternal reoccurance that kind of makes it odd anyone would ever think the sith were gone for good this time.

Plus, the New Sith War was kind of underexplored despite theoretically being the most important of the sith conflicts both in scale and in terms of being the most directly relevant to the events of the movies.

 

The New Sith war era is interesting considering it’s the one most tied to Lucas

compared to the KOTOR TOR era which was tied to TOTJ which was its own thing

 

I think this is what Lucas meant. The TPM novelization says, “In the end, the Sith destroyed themselves. They destroyed their leader first, then each other. What few survived the initial bloodbath were quickly dispatched by watchful Jedi.”

They could have made Exar Kun one of the Jedi Exiles, but instead they made him a contemporary of Ulic who turns the Krath into full-blown Sith. The TPM novelization could have said that the Sith began “thousands of years ago”, but instead they said “almost two thousand years ago”, leading to the Old/New Sith Wars retcon. They could have set KOTOR in 2000 BBY with Revan being the Sith “founder” from the TPM novelization, but instead they set it 40 years after the Great Sith War.

 

Especially seems that Bane had himself a bit of his own Empire in the same vain as these Sith

 

Where does it say that?

 

I mean with what Star Wars 20 said

Also while the Rule of Two was inspired by the Dyad the Secret of the Sith book said Bane invented the Rule we know now

 

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Lucas imagined the a feudal/medieval setting with Sith Lords battling each other for supremacy. That sounds super intriguing to me, and I'd love to see it. Especially if there's that kind of visual/aesthetic connective tissue that we've seen in things like Rebels and some of the comic books, where the ancient Sith do visually and culturally seem like the ancestors of the Sith from the movies.

I'm not sure what role the Jedi or the Republic would have in that kind of setting. Maybe for the Jedi something more focused on helping people in need. It's trickier with the Republic, though since canon introduced the Old Republic, then I suppose it's potentially not too different from the Rebellion during the time of the movies. But while TOR is continuing to do its thing, I think they key thing that Lucas wanted to avoid was armies of Jedi Knights fighting armies of Sith Lords. I think that's been a temptation for fans for a long time, and it's fulfilled by TOR and previous EU works. But it does go against Lucas's vision of the Sith, who are just unable to cooperate in large numbers for too long.

On a slightly related note, I've been trying to find a non-SW story that deals with a similar sort of setting, with relatively villainous Lords in power and battling one another. Lucas mentioned how his concept of the Sith back before 1977 went from something more mercenary (which evolved into Boba Fett) to what we got because he got interested in stories related to knights and their codes of honor. So I've been looking to find where I can read these stories.

 

There’s flashback in the Saga of Nomi Sunrider portion of TOTJ where we see what looks like a proto-Vader, but then when we actually see the Sith in TOTJ they look nothing like that flashback or any of the Sith from the movies. The “Dark Jedi” and Sith Troopers in KOTOR don’t resemble the movie Sith either.

I think the Battle of Geonosis misled the EU in this regard. They saw the army of Jedi charging at the Battle Droids and figured that that’s what the Jedi and Sith did during their ancient conflict.

 

Yes?

@Sinrebirth

Can you pull some quotes out because I think your talking about the Dyad thing but i do believe Bane still is the founder of the Rule of Two in the form we know it as.