Jensaarai, Force Witches, Fallanassi representation.

These are 3 major non-Jedi/ non-Sith force using dynamics in the GFFA. Would you like to see the Jedi deal with them more?

the have differing moral views to the Jedi but also aint simply be written of as "Evil" like the sith.

The Jensaarai are like the Jedi, but operate in seacret. They don't seem to trust the greater galaxy. They have stylized armonr and are no slouches in combat. The don't believe in Domination but they also don't believe in helping everyone. The Imperial Knight seem to draw from their armor use. Being that their armor take presidence over Lightsaber as pivotol moments of growth for Jensaarai.


I think Allana would be prefect for exploring this culture, seeing is that she must keep her true identity seacret, I gotta thing fpr mask ninjas. It would differentiate her from the rest of her Jedi family, and It also keep Leia relevent to have her views on the force Challaneged by a group who is not firm in their beliefs, but not set on skywalker worship mode.


The Force Witches, If there are ever to be Hapan Knight they will be drawn from this group. They are not into domination But force users do rule in their sociaty. The have fought the jedi in the past, and their knowledge of the force is pretty deep and has advanced since contacting Luke. They seem to take their cues from nature, but arn't afraid to explore new ways of doing things.

They can also help open Up Hapes as a Back ground. A dulogy dealing with either Tahiri or Zekk dealing with them possibly in Hapes is ripe for exploration.


Fallanassi, have a seemingly rigid view of the force. the "No Killing, No Violence Lightside orthodox" view I think they can be seen as a good counterpoint to the Jedi. a Philosphical battle about the jedi's roll in the galaxy taking place in universe, not through clashes with lightsabers and power.

But often compeating to attain the same goals through differing means, Harkaning back to the Early NJO Jacen vs Anakin philosphical arguments and competitions.

 

Interesting question, and I'm glad you opened a new thread because I wanted to answer your post in another thread (Role of the Jedi, maybe?), but didn't want to derail the conversation.

I see two main problems with prolonged contact between Jedi and Jensaarai, Dathomirian Witches, and the Fallanassi in the current timeline. One, as you point out, there really is no conflict between the Jedi and these groups - they're friendly and accept each other's viewpoints without really trying to convert the other groups. There are lines of communication, and sometimes a Force user from one of the Jensaarai or Dathomirian clans will train under the Jedi and sometimes a Jedi will visit one of the other sects (as Jacen did). And I'm ok with this, it seems a workable and believable system. There is no conflict here (this is more in answer to your previous post in the other thread).

The other, bigger problem with putting more focus on these groups is that they all strike me as much more insular than the Jedi. The Jensaarai (AFAIR) haven't been involved in high-level politics since the debacle with Leonia Tavira. The Dathomiri seem to confine themselves, as a whole, to Dathomir, and they are happy there. The Fallanassi also don't strike me as particularly interested in reaching out to the galaxy, although they could be quite helpful. They are all interesting and useful as fringe players, but their very characters don't really lend them to having a bigger role in the main storyline happening right now. I like the cross-overs between all four groups when they occur, and it would be nice to see more Jedi students from the Jensaarai and Dathomiri clans, as temporary exchange students if nothing else.

BTW, I don't see how involving the Dathomiri Witches will open up Hapes as a backdrop. The two cultures as a whole have nothing to do with each other, unless I've missed something. Am I completely misunderstanding your meaning here?

 

Well I connect the Dathmori and hapes because, Tenel ka has shown a trust and preferance in her Dathmori part of her heratage. If you had a choice to draw on forceusers in hapes proper of Dathomir which would you chose?

And because conflict dose not exist currently dose no mean they have no potential or their is no "resentment" from individuals from one set to individuals to another.

You mention that Jensaarai do ont involve themsleves in high level politics, the Jedi do. Frankly that can easily lead to conflict. such as the longstanding but often ignorded divison between jedi proper who dislike the poltiking and the harm that is has cause the order.

Say if Members start Leaveing the Jedi for the Jensaarai over this fact, and the two go from friends to rivals, Whether it is freindly or unfrendly can be left up to development.



As for the Fallanasii yes they are insular, But that can Change. Maybe give Jacen Relevance that he inspired many Fallanassi to change and try to improve the galaxy. But The Fallanassi do so in a way unique to them and the becaome at ods with the jedi over such thing.

I propose Changing the dynamic and ussing philosophy to start challanging the New Jedi order in a growth oriented mannor Which will Stress and Challange the order. Nuance the conflict beyond "See threat, Stab Threat" motif it has become.

 

The Fallanasii are the most interesting out of those 3, but for me the Aing-Tii are who I really want to explore more.

 

Yea, I just didn't get enough of the Aing-Tii in Omen. I just don't see how its possible to get more if them. They're very hard to reach. Honestly, I was hoping for some more cults in the first three FotJ books, but I'm happy about how its turning out so I won't complain.

 

I'd rather not see more about the Force witches, mostly because I found the concept terribly silly.

 

I want to see more of the Sorcerers of Rhand.

I also would love to see a connection made between them and the Sorcerers of Tund. Both outcast groups for two *radical* philosophies amongst the Sith(and I know that some don't want to see everything connected to the Sith, but I view the ancient Sith as more of one of those primordial, savage evils that give birth to many other traditions than anything)

 

I actually quite like the explorations of the other Force groups though I don't think they will be active for some reason. Most seem to be quite insular and prefer to remain within their own sphere of influence. The Fallanassi abhor violence but that doesn't necessarily mean all will be so. After all, even the Jedi Order have various trains of thought and sects so I don't see why others won't. The only factor in contest will be the size of the group. The larger the Force group, the more likely possibility there might be differing thoughts and beliefs. Is it mentioned anywhere how the Fallanassi recruit? Do they go the Jedi way and recruit any young Force sensitive child or simply recruit from those that are children of their order?

I always thought that if there were ever going to be any form of Hapan Knights, it would partly be formed from the Witches of Dathomir also. But, having said that, the Dathomiri except for the Nightsisters seem to be content to remain on their world and don't seem to want to interact with the galaxy at large. Well... except for the rare Witch that joins the Jedi Order. That combined with the anti-Jedi sentiment from the Hapans might mean that one might never see a Force order within the Consortium though its always a possibility.

Interesting idea though as you mentioned, personally, I don't want everything to relate to the Sith. Cronal's ramblings suggested that he held the Sith in contempt because they worshipped power rather then destruction and that the only true power was destruction. Still... its entirely possible that Kissai or whatever group might have also left Korriban/Ziost following the death of King Adas and decided to devote themselves to the concept of destruction whilst the ones who went to Tund went for the opposite approach.

 

The Sith are becoming to star wars what Apocalypse is to the X-men. Or the Borg to star trek.


A big name to incite the fans, but in the end unsatisfying characters with shallow depth, poor or vague motivation and goals, and difficult to tell one from the other. Basicly a sameness that falls under anycharacter that comes under its label.

 

I like all three groups, but I'd like to see them used right. The Dathomiri, in particular, I feel have been made duller by too much emphasis on cliché "dark siders" who're not a part of Wolverton's original concept...

I'm going to be reading Backlash with great interest, though.

- The Imperial Ewok

 

Really? what about the concept struck you as particularly silly?

 

Personally I would like to see more of the Wardens of the Sky, the Zeison Sha, and the Matukai.

Oh, and seeing the Seyugi Dervishes in action wouldn't hurt either.

 

Those. Plus the Shapers of Kro Var. Maybe the Disciples of Twilight and the Ember of Vahl also.

Also, given that they have now come up twice, I am curious about the Heresiarchs.

 

We have an Ember of Vahl in our current RPG group and he's frustrated as hell that there's not much source material.

I'd be REALLY interested in the Disciples of Twilight.

 

I forget the name, but which Force Culture was it that used the Force to gain mastery over their own bodies? They could make their bodies invulnerable, and all these cool tricks.

Does anyone know what I'm talking about?


EDIT:

I found them, the Matukai

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Matukai

The Matukai were also considered to be masters of their physical bodies, capable of physical feats such as sustained agility-based motions like tumbling, running, or leaping. As part of their own physical mastery, Matukai were known for their self-awareness of their own bodies, able to discern wounds, injuries, and sickness with ease. The Matukai learned to purge illness and poison from their bodies, and even become immune to them altogether, to the point where a fully-trained Matukai could shrug off the effects of a normally-fatal sting from a poisonous kouhun. Trained Matukai could raise or lower their body temperature to survive in hot or cold environments, or even cause their skin to become so hot as to burn anything they touched. More experienced Matukai adepts could also give normally soft parts of their body unnatural rigidity to help them resist damage.

 

^ That is an intrestinng group

 

I'm a fan of the Korunanni. I'd like to see another of their group join the Jedi, but decides to use vibroshields as his or her main weapon, but still has a lightsaber.

 

wouldnt that not only be heavy, but expensive? especialy since shield technology becaome available one produces superconductive mettals in that amount?

as well as dangerious, due to possible electrocution by anyone with a taser like weapon?

 

The Korunnai don't normally use those shields. It was only Kar Vastor and his Akk Guards who had them.

 

I never thought of the Matukai as using the Force to gain mastery over their bodies, but their bodies to gain mastery over the Force. I mean, they train in martial arts primarily as their Force training. Moreover, they seem to have some martial arts training that can actually boost the Force sensitivity of practitioners. That's interesting to me.

I'd love to see way more of these groups that the Dathomiri, Fallannasi or even the Jensaarai. In fact, for all we know the Jensaarai are all but totally absorbed into the NJO at this point. The only significant difference between them and the Jedi, especially after the Saarai-kar met up with Luke in I, Jedi, is that they wear funky animalian armor. They were founded by a dark Jedi Sith wannabe but never absorbed any of his teachings because the only person left after he and the dark Jedi that accompanied him were killed by Nejaa Halcyon, "Desertwind" and the Caamasi Jedi was Saarai-kar who was only a Padawan and never really broke away from what she learned as Jedi and thus never taught anything differently. All they had was the armor tradition and a mistaken view of Jedi/Sith history. They really aren't all that interesting except as a group that are essentially Jedi in every way who stick to one system of planets as guardians.

The Matukai are a curiousity that could be used to help under powered Jedi to feel the flow of the Force better. How much would Tionne benefit from their training, for instance?

 

I always found the Aing-Tii and the Matukai interesting in the sense that they both were said to allow those that were non-Force sensitives to access the Force (Car'das for the former). This indicates to me, at least, that using the Force is something anyone can do, given proper time and training, regardless of midichlorian count. The selective nature of the Jedi in regard to midichlorian count, therefore, is similar to their selection based upon age; all for the purpose of ease of training.

If I recall correctly, in the Black Fleet trilogy, Luke did that Force technique he discovered in the Jedi Academy trilogy -- in which he would probe the mind of someone and if they were Force sensitive he would be struck by a subconscious mental defense -- on the Fallanassi Akanah, and did not detect she was Force sensitive by this method. So that would indicate that the White Current also does not require normal Force sensitivity as well.

Whereas on the other hand, the Jensaarai, the Sith, and the Witches of Dathomir are actually derivatives of the Jedi arts, although in the case of the Sith I imagine Sith magic is unique and separate.

 

Then again, Akanah's techniques could just make her immune to that method of detection.

 

Yeah, it is interesting.

As Qui-gon said, ALL lifeforms have midichlorians, ALL are sensitive to the Force in some way.

The Fallanassi, Aing-Tii, and Matukai are definitely my favorite. They're the msot diverse, creative, unique Force cultures. In my opinion, anyways.