main
side
curve

Julius Caesar and the Jedi Purge.

Discussion in 'Star Wars Saga In-Depth' started by TK-2432, Apr 20, 2006.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. TK-2432

    TK-2432 Jedi Master star 4

    Registered:
    Aug 18, 2005
    Characters and plot is similar.

    Anakin is Brutus
    Palpatine is Cassius
    All Jedis are Caesar
    Yoda is the Soothsayer
    Clone Army as the Conspirators.

    Anakin wants what is best for him and Padme, just like Brutus wants what is best for Rome. Palpatine knows what he wants and knows how to get it, just like Cassius. Jedis are coming to power, just defeating the clones in the Clone Wars, similar to Caesar just defeating Pompeys army. Then we have Yoda, the all-sensing, pretty much like the Soothsayer, by forwarning the council and such.

    Palpatine wants the jedi gone with so he can rise to power, Cassius believes Caesar is incapble of being a leader. Palpatine makes a new friend ... Anakin, who wants Padme to be safe, and is a little power hungry. Brutus wants what is best for Rome, and Cassius helps him realize that and what he can do to make that a reality.

    Palpatine uses the Clone Army to purge the Jedi. Cassius uses the Conspirators to assassinate Caesar.

    Just a little thought I had walking home :)
     
  2. DarthPoppy

    DarthPoppy Jedi Master star 4

    Registered:
    May 31, 2005
    The problem with your comparison seems to be this:
    "Anakin wants what is best for him and Padme"
    "Brutus wants what is best for Rome"
    This is an exact opposite. Anakin is acting out of selfishness, while Brutus, at least honestly believes, he is acting out of selflessness.
    Brutus and the conspirators want to restore the Republic.
    Anakin knows he is participating in the end of the Republic.
    So, while there may be some superficial similarities, the plot of the Return of the Sith is basically the opposite of that of Julius Caesar. In Julius Caesar, with conspiracy is to restore the republic and end the dictatorship, in Return of the Sith, the conspiracy is to end the Republic and begin the Empire. Antony and Octavian (Augustus) insure that the conspiracy in Julius Caesar fails, while the conspiracy in Return of the Sith works perfectly.
     
  3. darth-sinister

    darth-sinister Manager Emeritus star 10 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

    Registered:
    Jun 28, 2001
    The connection to Caesar is that he is like Palpatine. Both gained control over their empires and both ruled with an iron fist. The rise and fall of Caesar is along the same lines of Palpatine. But the story of Anakin, Padme, Obi-wan and Palpatine is more like the story of Othello and Opedius Rex.
     
  4. TK-2432

    TK-2432 Jedi Master star 4

    Registered:
    Aug 18, 2005
    How did Caesar rule with an iron fist? He wasn't even crowned.
     
  5. Jedi_872

    Jedi_872 Jedi Youngling star 1

    Registered:
    Aug 3, 2005
    It could be said that Anakin was restoring the Republic (under the name of the Empire) after it was split.
     
  6. darth-sinister

    darth-sinister Manager Emeritus star 10 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

    Registered:
    Jun 28, 2001
    He still held considerable power. He still gained it through war. He had people afraid that he wouldn't give up his power when the time came. That's pretty good indication that he had an iron fist.
     
  7. TK-2432

    TK-2432 Jedi Master star 4

    Registered:
    Aug 18, 2005
    Wasn't every body afraid that they wouldn't give up power back then, so cliche.

    Anyways back to the topic: I find these two stories alike.
     
  8. snap-hiss

    snap-hiss Jedi Grand Master star 5

    Registered:
    Aug 23, 2001
    Of course they're alike, Lucas wrote the political plot with the story of Caesar in mind, he has said this many times.

    !snap
     
  9. darth_frared

    darth_frared Jedi Grand Master star 5

    Registered:
    Jun 24, 2005
    i thought it was more about the third reich and hitler.

    i don't know enough about cesar and his rise to power, but i guess the stories are similar anyway.
     
  10. darth_frared

    darth_frared Jedi Grand Master star 5

    Registered:
    Jun 24, 2005
    just thinking... without having read the play and not knowing much of the history...

    wouldn't a comparison of palps and ceasar be more apt? in terms of backstabbing?
     
  11. yoshifett

    yoshifett Jedi Knight star 5

    Registered:
    Apr 17, 2004
    Anakin is nothing like Brutus.
     
  12. darth_frared

    darth_frared Jedi Grand Master star 5

    Registered:
    Jun 24, 2005
    it's stil enormous backstabbing, though.
     
  13. yoshifett

    yoshifett Jedi Knight star 5

    Registered:
    Apr 17, 2004
    Brutus was truly an honorable man, despite what Mark Antony would have us believe...Anakin on the other hand...not so much. Plus, the back stabbing is in a totally different context. Anakin stabs the Jedi in the back to save Padme, while Brutus has no personal attachments. Actually, Brutus would have made a very good Jedi. Brutus did what he did for the good of Rome - full stop. Now Anakin might claim that he's bringing peace to his "new empire" but he obviously has ulterior motives.

    And how can Yoda be the soothsayer? The soothsayer warned Caesar, but he didn't listen. Yoda is always "clouded by the darkside." Techincally speaking, Mace is the one who senses the true betrayal, Order 66. This analogy breaks down on so many levels. Has anyone here actually read "Julius Caesar"?
     
  14. darth_frared

    darth_frared Jedi Grand Master star 5

    Registered:
    Jun 24, 2005
    well, backstabbing when he kills the emperor, i mean.
     
  15. yoshifett

    yoshifett Jedi Knight star 5

    Registered:
    Apr 17, 2004
    Now the analogy makes even less sense. (I didn't think that was possible)
     
  16. Sidious_T

    Sidious_T Jedi Padawan star 4

    Registered:
    Jun 2, 2004
    Consider where you are Yoshi.............
     
  17. RockMeAmadeus

    RockMeAmadeus Jedi Youngling

    Registered:
    Apr 28, 2006
    I think what the most insightful darth frared is trying to say is that Anakin Skywalker is more like "Julius Ceaser", and the Empire can be considered "Rome", and Darth Vader is the dichotomy that is Brutus and Cascius...and since ROTJ was re-released in March of '97, it looks as if the Emperor could be considered the "Ides" of March.

    So I think if you put it in that perspective - what darth frared said makes perfect sense. Well said, frared.
     
  18. Evil_Imp

    Evil_Imp Jedi Youngling star 1

    Registered:
    Aug 18, 2005
    RockMeAmadeus, Did you even read what the Wise Yoshifett wrote?. the Analogy makes no sense. [face_laugh] . can't you see that?. or are you trying to get a Date?
     
  19. RockMeAmadeus

    RockMeAmadeus Jedi Youngling

    Registered:
    Apr 28, 2006
    I didn't know frared was a female.

    Anyway - no...I agree with her analogy...it's kind of the same as say Hitler was the Empire, Stalin was Anakin, and Mousselini was the Emperor and they all sat down to tea to plan the ruling of the world...but REALLY what Anakin and the Emperor were doing was conspiring AGAINST each other for control of Germany.

    So you see...attachments should have been the Jedi's priority. I mean I don't know the difference between Julius Caeser and Neuman's Own, but it sounds right.
     
  20. Evil_Imp

    Evil_Imp Jedi Youngling star 1

    Registered:
    Aug 18, 2005
    I never thought you did. fella ;) :p

    i think you know more about salad dressing than SW or History.

     
  21. Sidious_T

    Sidious_T Jedi Padawan star 4

    Registered:
    Jun 2, 2004
    "I didn't know frared was a female"

    THAT's a female??????
     
  22. RockMeAmadeus

    RockMeAmadeus Jedi Youngling

    Registered:
    Apr 28, 2006
    Well all I know is that frared's posts were so "masculine"...I just assumed she was a guy. My bad.

    And I don't know about you guys, but I personally like Shakespeare's play "Romeo and Juliett" which can be compared to Padme and Anakin and how Anaking and Padme couldn't have each other so they should kill themselves due to the fact that they are star crossed (as in Mustufar and Polis Massa).

    So see - when and if you lose the will to live, then your lover should as well, or else you can't do the whole Rome and Juliette thing - just the Julius Caeser thing - starring Paul Neuman.
     
  23. Evil_Imp

    Evil_Imp Jedi Youngling star 1

    Registered:
    Aug 18, 2005
    well since you put it like that, how could i disagree? =D= bravo
     
  24. Ki-Adi-Fromunda

    Ki-Adi-Fromunda Jedi Youngling

    Registered:
    Apr 28, 2006
    =D=
    Totally more like Romeo and Juliet, than Ceaser....
     
  25. Sidious_T

    Sidious_T Jedi Padawan star 4

    Registered:
    Jun 2, 2004
    Double bravo gentleman
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.