Kalevala

Are Kalevala and Mandalore seperate planets? I ask because it seems possible that they indeed are and the planet the people on The Clone Wars are calling, "Mandalore" is actually Kalevala. Is there any info on this?

 

In the "newsreel" of The Mandalore Plot and Voyage of Temptation, Tom Kane said "Mandalore". I hate to say this, but yes, the planet (cubed cities) that was featured in The Mandalore Plot was in fact Mandalore.

 

The Atlas mentions that Kevala is sometimes called Mandolore. Othe rthan that....it is really confusing. They will probably sort it out later.

 

Agreed.

 

Where in the Atlas does it mention that "Kalevala is sometimes called Mandalore?"

 

Where in the Atlas does it mention that? I just looked under the "Mandalorians" section and it said that the events in the Clone Wars series took place on Mandalore.

 

The section on Mandolorian history I think.

Or, it might have been the encyclopedia.

 

Are we sure we're not reaching a little and coming to our own conclusions?

If it is in the Encyclopedia thats cool, I haven't been able to afford the mortage to pick up that book, but the only place Kalevala is specifically named in the Atlas(that I've uncovered) is within the "Planets" section of the Mandalore System.

Kalevala is identified as a toxic desert with no moons in that list.

 

Well, whether the Mandalore in the show is kalevala or not, the narrator did say Satine came from Kalevala, so she would have to be pretty used to a gas mask...

 

Possibly then we haven't seen Kalevala yet. However, next week's episode (yes, before the month break) is called "Duchess of Mandalore". Strange, yes, but I think it's referring to Satine.

 

On Wookieepedia it says that Mandalore is the cube city planet and Kalevala is another planet in the same system where Satine comes from.

So Mandalorians live there and Satine became leader of them, ruling from Mandalore. Maybe there are different Mandalorian worlds each with its own leader (like Pre Vizsla on Concordia) and an overall leader who governs from Mandalore itself.

Maybe after the planet was devastated, Satine's peace movement had a strong voice and when she became leader she reorganised their society along those lines. That is what Vizsla is so upset about.

 

It's just a big fuddlement right now.

 

The question is, however, who is Mandalore? During the Clone Wars, I always assumed Spar came into play and began the Mandalorain Protectors. This whole "Satine/Kalevala" and the "New Mandalorians" is causing problems. TEA did it's best to try and sort out the mess, but really I think something is greatly missing.

I wish Mr. Chee the best of luck.

 

Reposting:

One explanation is that there isn't really a planet called Mandalore. We have the Mandalore system that contains all these places (Concordia, Kalevala, Concord Dawn...) and sometimes people just call whichever planet they think is the most important there as simply "Mandalore". So Kalevala would be the cube planet and Concordia the forest moon, but at different times, people would refer to one or the other as simply Mandalore.

This explanation would make retconning stuff A LOT easier.

 

The obvious thing to me is--
(A) The sytem is Mandalore
(B) Mandalore System contains various planets, one of which, the "Capital", is also named Mandalore
(C) One government holds power over Mandalore the System; its seat of power is on Mandalore the Planet
(D) All inhabitants of Mandalore the system may hold office. If they come to rule the System, they move to Mandalore the Planet where the government infrastructure already exists.

Which is to say that if New York City were the Capital of New York State, you could still easily become the Governor even if you were from upstate.

 

Kalevala is a separate planet from Mandalore, but is in the same star system, i.e. Kalevala is to Mandalore as Venus is to Earth. Satine Kryze and Tal Merrick are both from Kalevala.

 

I LOVE the idea that Mandalore is a roving planetary title that can apply to different planets in the Mandalore system depending on who is in charge or where the capital is.

It's just a really neat idea and makes everything kind of fit.

 

Yeah, and it fits nicely with the person-title "Mandalore".

Who is Mandalore? Lots of people, depending on the timeline: Jango, Boba, Canderous...

Which planet is Mandalore? Lots of planets, depending on the timeline: Concordia, Kalevala, maybe even Concord Dawn...

If Mandalore means "sole ruler", then it makes sense that it would apply to the capital planet. Now, capitals sometimes change with time, so it makes sense that the name would migrate to whichever planet/moon is the current capital.

 

Who's been the Prime Minister of Canada? Lots of People.

Where is Canada? Only one defined place comes to mind but the second New York City is a part of it do let me know.

 

Is the Prime Minister of Canada known simply as "Canada"? No, so that sort of kills the comparison.

 

Nor is the leader of the Mandalorians known as Mandalore.

 

Most of the time, it is. The only know periods where the leader of the Mandalorians was not known as "Mandalore" are before Mandalore the First, between Mandalore the Ultimate and Canderous Ordo, and during the reign of Duchess Satine. Throughout the rest of documented Mando history, the leader is Mandalore.

 

I like the idea the Kevala is the planet, Concordia is the moon, and they are both known collectively as Mandolore. Or interchangeably: I doubt many people in universe would care to distinguish between a planet and its moon. We see this with Yavin and Endor at least.

 

735 years or so is a long time, your really stretching to make this work from a continuity standpoint when you include The Clone Wars.

Why would a faction like Satine's use a name associated with generation and after generation of warriors if they are so anti-war?

If they were on Kalevala, they would call it Kalevala, they wouldn't use the war mongers name for the planet.

Not to say it own't work out as you suggest Gry, but I think a massive reality shifting retcon is in order. This idea that every Mandalorian in the galaxy thinks they are living on Mandalore just doesn't work for me in the context provided by The Clone Wars and the previous sources related to the subject.

It's a big change that won't be an easy fix. Nothing fits together nicely no matter how much we wish it to.

Or we can start calling the moon planet earth

 

Retcons are never easy. I just think that my explanation would make things a lot smoother and flexible. How else do you reconcile that a lush jungle primitive planet is the same as a barren wasteland one with advanced cities? (and we know SW planets only have ONE dominating characeristic).

As for the new pacifist mandalorians still using the old Mandalore name for their capital planet, well, some traditions always survive, independet on the culture's new philosophy. You could also ask why Satine would have a mural of a Mandalorian warrior battling Jedi in her throne room. It's an important part of their history, even if they are now moving into a new direction.