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Discussion in 'Costuming and Props' started by gracefuljedi, Dec 16, 2005.

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  1. gracefuljedi

    gracefuljedi Jedi Youngling

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    does anybody know where to buy it?
     
  2. darthlrrp

    darthlrrp Jedi Padawan star 4

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    if anyone knows please pm me
     
  3. Primrodo

    Primrodo Jedi Master star 4

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    India?

    Seriously is there a reason you are looking for specifically it?
     
  4. grumpydevil

    grumpydevil Jedi Youngling star 3

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    I would imagine that he's looking to make an authentic looking Jedi tunic.

    -Kyle
     
  5. Primrodo

    Primrodo Jedi Master star 4

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    Except they were'nt made from that specifically. Qui-Gon's for instance is Silk Noil, as stated in the Dressing a Galaxy Book.

    Theres been no evidence of this material being used at all...
     
  6. grumpydevil

    grumpydevil Jedi Youngling star 3

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    Regardless, the Padawan's Guide references this material:

    Then...

    Anyway, I don't really have any good input on the homespun indian fabric. Sorry I couldn't be of more help on that, guys...

    But when I was putting together material for my (unfinished) Tunic and Tabbards, I found a very thin crinkly material (maybe silk?) for very cheap - like $2.50 per yard and htey had several shades of brown. I thought that if sewn together properly, this could have made a really great looking tunic.

    -Kyle
     
  7. darthdefyitall

    darthdefyitall Jedi Youngling star 2

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    homespun just refers to a weave type, I believe. I don't know why you would specifically need Indian. A good natural, heavy woven cotton or crinkle cotton would work.
     
  8. VillieGee

    VillieGee Jedi Youngling star 3

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    I read they were all Indian Homespun a long time ago, but I can't for the life of me remember where. I got too many books to find one line somewhere.
     
  9. Primrodo

    Primrodo Jedi Master star 4

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    Yes...though the costume designer of the movie never went and said taht,,,but she did say what Qui-Gon's was specifically in her book....so no not all Jedi costumes were the same material...from cottons to silks, and whatever looked great.

    Really I only responded in such a way because this is brought up ALOT...though its untrue in the large scale and proof. Really you just need to find some really nice natural fiber material and go from there...don't get stuck on quotes by the concept artists who had little input to the fabric choices...
     
  10. VillieGee

    VillieGee Jedi Youngling star 3

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    Well yeah, Qui-Gon's wouldn't be Indian Homespun. My understanding was that when they needed hundreds of Jedi costumes for AOTC, that was when they started using Indian Homespun.

    I've scoured my books, but haven't found it so far. :(
     
  11. Primrodo

    Primrodo Jedi Master star 4

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    The quote was from pre-TPM...AOTC they used LOTS of variant materials from corded to raw silk...no evidence of Indian Home Spun anywhere.
     
  12. JadeSolo

    JadeSolo Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Khadi is just handwoven fabric - emphasis on the manual labor part, as the entire process is done by hand, from spinning the yarn to the weaving. Hence the spinning wheel on the Indian flag. ;) The fabric itself can be cotton, wool, or silk.

    If Trisha used cottons for the tunic, it's very possible they're khadi. My sister-in-law went to the local Khadi Emporium in her town and brought back a few yards for me. It doesn't have such a loose weave as the swatch (though it definitely looks like what my grandfather wears :p ). Still, it has that rough, natural texture to it.

    Plus, I heard or read somewhere that the tunic materials were custom made. I showed a picture of Obi-Wan's tunic to my sister-in-law, and she hadn't seen any khadi like it before. It probably wouldn't have been hard for Trisha to go to a khadi production center and ask for a certain weave.

    The stuff you can buy at Walmart, I'm pretty sure that's the real thing - feels like the stuff I have, just dyed in different colors and woven in that typical Madras plaid. :p If you want that specific weave, I don't know that there's any regular khadi made like that (again, it could've been custom made). And I doubt you'd be able to get it in the U.S.

    What you might also be able to do is search online for Indian fabric stores and contact them. Or any fabric store around you, where you can ask if they stock fabric from India. If you find a store run by Indians, there's a chance that at the very least, they have contacts from stores in India that have the fabric. If possible show them the tunic fabric or even just a picture of it. :)
     
  13. darthlrrp

    darthlrrp Jedi Padawan star 4

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    cool info--thanks JadeSolo

    dl
     
  14. Jauhzmynn

    Jauhzmynn Jedi Padawan star 4

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    I can see each Jedi's clothing being from differant natural fabrics. It's comfortable, easy to wash and dyes well.

    If you wanna use Khadi go for it, but ease of finding, I'd go for Silk Noil(Raw Silk) from Dharma trading company. For a 50yard bolt it's under $150, is in a natrual color(Cream/tan). You can dye it to whatever you like w/ Dharma's dyes. It flows NICE. I'd suggest getting one of Dharma's china silk fabrics to sue as a lining cuz the raw silk will shed on you leaving tiny fabric balls.
    If you want Graceful Jedi, I can send you a fabric swatch of some raw silk I have. Send me a PM I can get your addy to send the swatch to you.
     
  15. VillieGee

    VillieGee Jedi Youngling star 3

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    Obi-Wan's robes from the classic trilogy were raw silk. That I know for sure. :) The Emperor's robes were exactly the same as Obi-Wan's dyed black, so I assume they were raw silk too (that's an educated guess though).
     
  16. Primrodo

    Primrodo Jedi Master star 4

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    The Emperors robes in ROTJ are made of Monks cloth...and how do you know for sure Obi-Wans were from Raw silk?

    As for custom made fabrics, thats possible but not for everything, beacuse then why was the Padme wedding dress from an antique store? Or why was Quis and Obi's Episode 1 cloaks made from old military blankets? Or why go to India, China and all over for fabrics.

    Somethings were, but I highly doubt it all was.

    Khadi may have not ever been used...its like the jedi's biggest rumour..along with all teh belts being 2.5" wide...things just assumed and after awhile become fact...somehow...

     
  17. Sister_Sola

    Sister_Sola Manager Emeritus star 4 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    I don't believe Ben Kenobi's robe was silk - it's far too thick and heavy, and stiff. I believe Biba-Fett said it was a wool but she could confirm that.

    I think his tunics were raw silk though.
     
  18. Primrodo

    Primrodo Jedi Master star 4

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    You don;t think AND think they are silk..isn't that a contradiction? ;)
     
  19. LadySonnet

    LadySonnet Jedi Youngling star 1

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    She was differentiating between the robe and the tunics. Different parts.

    On Old Ben the robe is definitely wool. And I also think ;) that the tunics are silk noil.

    Sonnet
     
  20. VillieGee

    VillieGee Jedi Youngling star 3

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    Yeah, sorry when I said "robes" I meant his kimono (I don't think you can call it much of a "tunic"). And after a second look, the Emperor's kimono was also definitely raw silk. From pages 186 and 189 of Star Wars: The Magic of Myth by Mary Henderson:

    "The under robes for the costumes of both Ben and the Emperor are elegant Japanese kimonos of raw silk, beige for Ben and black for the Emperor."

    So there ya go. On a related note, Luke's clothes from ANH and the first costume from ROTJ are short-style kimonos, the book goes on to say.

    The Emperor's outer robes, however are NOT monk's cloth. I went looking for good fabrics a while back for the Emperor's robe, and looked at monk's cloth at someone's suggestion and they look nothing alike. You can tell just from looking at pictures.
     
  21. Primrodo

    Primrodo Jedi Master star 4

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    I dunno, places like the RPF and other costume hardcore sites state that the Emperors robe is Monk's Cloth...Looks the same to me after a simple goodgle search.

    As for Raw silk..interesting...

    As for Lukes costume in ROTJ..its not a kimono..he wears a vest with teh same shirt he wears all movie long.
     
  22. VillieGee

    VillieGee Jedi Youngling star 3

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    Well this book sitting in front of me says otherwise.

    Monk's cloth is woven like a basket. There are usually 8 squares per inch. The Emperor's robes have a raised waffle pattern on it with each "square" about a 1/4" wide. The 1/4" is based on measurements taken from large pictures from the Magic of Myth exhibit as compared to the Sith clasp, which I have a copy of from Master Replicas. So even if they looked the same (which they don't), the squares on the monk's cloth would give it away, as they're way too small.

    Nancysnotions.com has a very close match (if not an exact match - I haven't seen it in person) to the waffle weave of the Emperor's robes. Do a search for "waffle" and it's right there, although in the pic of the black it's hard to see the texture. Click one of the other colors (like white) to get a better idea of the texture.
     
  23. Sister_Sola

    Sister_Sola Manager Emeritus star 4 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    So is this referring to the Emperor's black robe from RotJ? Or RotS?
     
  24. Primrodo

    Primrodo Jedi Master star 4

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    Like I said, just talking about other places, I haven;t spent a whole lot of time researching the Emporer, I'm more of a Jedi guy, but I try and keep up with some stuff. I've just known that whenever this has come up in the past on the major costume boards Monks cloth is always mentioned and said as teh real thing.

    And yeah Sola, ROTJ :)
     
  25. Nanoviper

    Nanoviper Jedi Youngling

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    I looked and looked for this fabric but I couldent find and i was strapped for time so I used another fabric that cost only like 5$/yard and seemed semi authentic Pics and info soon to come
     
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