K'Kruhk, T'ra Saa, and other surviving Jedi

I'm not sure if it's been answered yet or not (I haven't followed Legacy as close as I would like), but I am wondering: where did K'Kruhk and T'ra Saa come from in Legacy? They obviously survived the Great Jedi Purge, but where were they during the rebirth of the Jedi under Luke Skywalker? Surely they would have been of great help to Luke in establishing the new Jedi Order. Why did they wait another hundred or so years to finally emerge and take charge? Perhaps their centuries of wisdom and knowledge of the Jedi may have prevented the travesty of Jacen Solo's fall, who knows.

I think the new Star Wars: Invasion comic series will be a good opportunity to maybe see K'Kruhk in action again, defending the galaxy against the Vong. I just doubt he or Saa sat out the invasion doing nothing. Not very Jedi-like, in my opinion.

As for other Jedi - I would love to see some stories of what came of Quinlan Vos, Khaleen, and their son; Zao, and if he survived past Order 66; and if Tholme had any lasting impact before his natural death.

 

There were very few Jedi who survived Order 66. Kenobi and Yoda of course we know there. Siadem Forte, Iwo Kulka, Roan Shryne, Bol Chatak were all killed fighting Vader. Olee Starstone, Chatak's Padawan I'm pretty sure married Filli Bitters. Not sure what happened to the rest of the Dark Lord Jedi (Jambe Nu, Poorf or Deran Nulal)... I'm still trying to figure out how someone as awful with a lightsaber as Palps was was able to kill Kit Fisto and Sasee Tiin.

 

Duh, he clearly used his Sith mental powers to screw with their heads when he attacked them to thrown them off their game. The last thing Fisto and Tinn probably saw was a giant Rancor coming at them. Only Mace, as senior member of the council, had enough strength to ward off the mind attacks Palpatine was unleashing.

 

Not sure where you heard Zao, but they named their kid Korto.

 

I believe he is referring to a little blind alien jedi that is named Zao and was featured in the comics. I think he used a staff instead of a lightsaber, right?

 

Zao's lightsaber had a hilt that was a staff.

 

The last thing Fisto and Tinn probably saw was a giant Rancor coming at them.

 

For some reason I've always picture K'kruhk in the background somewhere when Luke visited Toola at the start of COPL.

 

I think the Council wich Cade met should be like this:
K'Kruhk,Lowbacca,Tili Qua

 

Isn't the current list of possible survivors between 100 and 200?

That doesn't really count wash-outs, force sensitives, other Force cults and religions, Agri-Corps and related projects, as well as others.

I think people like Vader and Fett got their Jedi hunting kills (post-O66 kills) in a large part from hunting down and killing or capturing force sensitives and other force using groups that get caught up under the blanket term of "Jedi".

Considering the size of the galaxy, it really isn't unbelievable that many force users went to ground and would avoid capture for years, but the Empire would continue to root out and either kill or turn force sensitives through-out their reign.

While Luke was the one with the destiny to stop them, it wouldn't due for any of the force using groups that were NOT Jedi or for any of the force sensitives to get ideas about helping resistance groups out, and if any popped their heads up, it'd be in the Empire's interest to stamp them down before they could become populist or get recruited by any of the resistance groups running around.

 

Speaking in terms of the pre-Order 66 Jedi population of ten thousand, 100 or 200 is what, one Jedi out of every 100 or so surviving? That's not alot of survivors, particularly when you consider that all of them are basically incapable of communicating with one another after 066; they've no way to coordinate their actions, which they'd have to do to be effective against a power as potent as the Empire.

Now if those one or two hundred Jedi had 1) managed to set up a coordinated resistance movement with groups like Whiplash and former Seps like the Noasaurians, and 2) agreed on what they had to do, then the Empire may have had a very dangerous threat early on. But that never happened.

 

But consider that within a few months to a year after Order 66, many of them were hunted down, captured or killed.

 

Yep. Between Dark Lord and Clone Wars Volume nine Vader bagged what...9 or so just by himself? And that's in the space of less than a year.

 

Wait, what?

 

Which Palpatine are you all talking about? The Palpatine from the books or the wimp in the movies? They made Palpatine, Mace Windu, Kit Fisto, and Grevious wimps in the movies and in the most recent Clone Wars stuff. Read the Revenge of the Sith novel to get the more kick butt Palpatine and Mace Windu and all of the rest of the guys. Movie-Palpatine looks like Darth Maul or Vader could easily kill him, in the books he is described as being a blur to Anakin Skywalker, Anakin couldn't even SEE Palpatine moving. So yeah the movie Palpatine is crummy with his lightsaber, the book version is the best swordsman out there except for Mace Windu. The movie's are centered around Darth Vader, so therefor Vader always looks like the uber powerful guy, Vader was frightened of going up against Palpatine in the books and most other Star wars works, except for the Revenge of the Sith book were he thought he was the most powerful guy in the whole galaxy, it took being cut in half by Obi-wan to curb his giant ego. So yeah movie Palpatine equals wimp, book equals super strong fast Sith Lord who can fight Yoda, and win.

 

First, I'm not sure how we know Mace as the best swordsman next to Yoda. All we've seen is the mocked up fight with Palps and his decapitating Jango.

The lightsaber duel between Yoda and Palps in the senate room was crazy fast. I've never seen any fight that was that fast or relentless.

The sticking point with many EU fans and now TCW fans is how fast Fisto, Tin, and Kolar went down. It was an awkwardly blocked sequence and yeah, the Jedi seemed unable to defend themselves from some easy strikes by Palps.

Getting back to the OP, Vos is tied off and wrapped up. He's no longer a Jedi and planned to leave the order before Order 66 so don't count on him ever showing up again. He's probably making shoes on Taris or something. Dass Jennir is representing the Jedi in hiding angle quite well.

I would like to see Master Zao again I'll admit. I loved the character's free spirited nature and attitude towards the war and the Force. He appeared much wiser than Yoda in many ways.

 

Read 'Shatterpoint' 'Revenge of the Sith the novel' or the newest guide to the force, Mace Windu invented a variant of the lightsaber form Juyo, he named it Vaapaad, he was considered the best swordsmen in the galaxy, excepting only Master Yoda. The only beings who could defeat him were Yoda, and Depa Billaba, the only beings who could survive against him are Sora Bulq, Palpatine, Count Dooku, Ventress, Obi-wan Kenobi and Anakin Skywalker. Comic Mace Windu defeated Dooku in a duel, as well as a whole lot of scum on the wheel. You need to read the books, the movies are centered around Anakin/Vader so they show mostly him and Padme, ETC ETC. The EU books and comic show a broader group of Jedi and Sith, like Darth Krayt, Quinlan Vos, Cade Skywalker, K'Kruhk, and the rest. What I want to know is the final fate of Quinlan, and what K'Kruhk was doing in during the times of Darth Sidious, and Darth Caedus, wouldn't he have heard about the New Jedi Order and tried to join it? What you do if you are being hunted is you hide, until the time is right to fight back. Rahm Kota did it, Obi-wan did it, and so did the Sith. Taking for granted that K'kruhk didn't want to fight, why didn't he rejoin the Jedi after the Dark Nest crisis? Five full years of peace, lots of new Jedi that needed instruction, why didn't he join up? As for Quinlan, was he killed by Vader? Is his son alive? if so where is he? I for one, preferred Quinlan to Zao, Zao seemed a little too pacifistic for me, Quinlan had the whole Dark Jedi stint thing which gave his character some conflict and drama, the other comic Jedi I like is Hett, AKA Darth Krayt, he is, was, a very interesting character. His friendship with Anakin, and his rise as Darth Krayt. Although we didn't get a very good idea of how he would fare in a fight against people like Yoda and Sidious. I mean, Hett lost to Obi-wan as a Dark Jedi, would he win as Darth Krayt? Had Vader been alive after Hett's Sith training would Hett have been able to kill him?
Oh, if anybody wants a list of the best swordbeings of the time periods, Rise of the Empire, Legacy of the Force, Clone wars, ETC Just ask and I will post it.

 

They couldn't take the New Jedi Order over and reshape it in the image of OJO as long as Luke lived, so they hid until he died. Then they could return to fill the void he left behind - as cherished heros of a bygone era, who naturally would be given leadership positions in the Order.

Just kidding.

 

Well, yeah, there is ample EU stuff that displays Windu's baddassery but from AOTC and ROTS (the movies) he's no more imposing than Obi-Wan.

 

True, very true. However in the movies Kit Fisto was not very tough either, in the EU he was an expert warrior, the movies are limited by CGI and digital enhancements, imagination is much more powerful then those. As such, I consider the books to be more canonical then the movies as they capture your imagination a lot more.

 

So what were K'Kruhk and T'ra Saa doing during the Rise of the Empire & the NJO?

I think they slept. I remember reading that K'Kruhk's alien race go into long hibernations & that's why they technically live so long & T'ra Saa's a tree like that other tree Jedi from Dark Empire 2 that was sleeping on Ossus & totally ignoring the tribe of force sensitive Yasanna.

I figure that Luke & all the rest of the Jedi will finally meet up with these 2 somewhere in the Fate of the Jedi books. Most likely stopping them from stealing GA starships to add to their Hidden Fortress. That should be more fun than Lando Calrissian & Niles Ferrier's little adventures, no?

 

To be quite frank, there are a few key characters in Legacy that were active during the clone wars - over a hundred and fifty years before. It's a bit unrealistic to say the least, but since Legacy has turned out to be such a great series, these flaws are forgivable IMO.

Also, I truly hope Del Rey doesn't write them into the NJO until it gets closer to Legacy's time period. While I love the idea of flawless continuity between books and comics, I am dreading the day when Del Rey has to start trying to tie their novel plots in with those of the Legacy-era comics. I don't plan on it being smooth or subtle at all.

 

Me neither, not smooth or subtle. That's why I brought up the ridiculous idea of K'Kruhk and T'ra Saa as starship theives. That's very Del Rey, I thinks.

 

K'Kruhk could show up in the Invasion comics.