ST Kylo Ren killed all of Luke's padawans....

But couldn't handle a untrained Rey in a lightsaber duel? Seriously? This was one of my main issues I had with TFA. So the story goes that Luke was trying to train a new generation of Jedi but one of his students, Kylo Ren formerly Ben Solo turned on him and killed all his other students. Granted we aren't given any information on how skilled Ben or his other students were at this point but I get the feeling he should have been way out of Rey's league lightsaber skills wise and just overall force wise. I understand that with the force there is a certain amount of natural ability involved but come on. Am I alone here in feeling this way?

 

What is said about the fall of Luke's order is cleverly arranged to make us think we know more about it than we really do.

"A student" fell to evil. Not necessarily Kylo.

"We never should have sent him away." But Luke's academy was not necessarily the place where he was sent.

We don't know that Kylo trained with Luke at all. We're allowed to assume that he did, because of course where else is Han's kid going to train? Maybe he was sent off to Snoke's School for Gifted Youngsters and was corrupted before he ever learned a thing from Luke. Maybe he was visiting Endor with his folks, was drawn to Vader's pyre, and had some dark-side revelation Han and Leia don't even know about.

We don't even know when the scene with Kylo, his guys, and the dead bodies in the rain is set. It could have been a half-hour ago and completely non-Luke-related. It could even be the future.

The two new characters, the Benecio del Toro one and the new girl, could have a lot to say about who killed Luke's students.

We have to respect how little we know.

 

First, we don't know that Kylo Ren killed all of Luke's padawans.

Secondly, if he did take part in killing Luke's padawans, we don't know if he did so alone. In fact, the implication in the flashback is that he may have done it with six other "Knights of Ren."

Thirdly, Kylo was seriously wounded while fighting Rey.

Fourth, Kylo was not trying to kill Rey. In fact, he was trying to recruit her (as was made abundantly clear in the film).

In short, this thread is premature.

 

Holy Smokes!!! Rey was one of Luke's padawans! So....1) Kylo did not kill all of Luke's padawans. 2) Rey (having been a padawan) remembers her training as the Force "re-awakens" within her! Does it have to be put in blinking, neon lights so that you don't keep missing it??!!!

 

No, not at all. Not by a long shot, lol.

 

Did a large number of people on this board miss Kylo's line: "You need a teacher! I can show you the ways of the force." And/or the wound he received from a weapon that had been obviously built up as incredibly powerful over the course of the film?

Just curious.

 

She has to ask Han if the Jedi were real. Is that what you cell a blinking neon light that she studied under Luke?

 

You changed your name? Hmm, that threw me off a bit.

 

Dameron's my middle name. You share a name with a Star Wars character, you gotta exploit that!

 

At least twelve, I think.

 

(muttering) Fourteen!

 

Been here, done that.

Maybe none of Luke's padawans had Rey's fight experience. Or they were (shudder), "younglings" (for when you can't say "Anakin killed kids!" in your movie ostensibly for kids).

 

I posted in another thread that I feel Rey and Kylo are inspired by Moses and Ramses.

Kylo believes because of his birthright (as the descendant of the one created by the force) that he has the mandate of heaven (what the god claiming Pharaohs of old said they had) or in this case the will of the Force. He is Ramses. Rey in this scenario is Moses. The lightsaber even calls to her like the flaming bush called to Moses. Rey is able to beat Kylo because she is truly the one acting through the will of the Force, she is infact what Kylo believed he was through birth.

 

I really don't think Kylo alone killed all of them- he may have been like Vader and lead a small army to kill all the jedi- probably knights of Ren (or stormtroopers) killed the jedi but not Kylo alone- unless he assassinated them one at the time luring them all to a quiet place and suddenly turned on them. Of course we don't know how many jedi Luke trained but is Kylo alone beat them all and then lost to Rey that would be weird and definitely illogical. But I think he had help.

 

He had the KoR with him,and for all we know they might be a bunch of well trained darkside Force users after all.

 

Given we know that Kylo was born around a year after RotJ, IF he was 1 of Luke's students (i think he was just for the record) he would have been one of the oldest / or earliest of Luke's students, He is naturally strong with the force given his Lineage (Snoke chose him at least partially for this reason) It stands to reason he was one of the strongest at the Academy. So Could beat most of them, But I would imagine he had some sort of Help.

I mean he clearly is strong with the force, He can stop blaster bolts mid-air, Use the force to extract information from peoples minds, he absolutely flings Rey into a Tree, He can hold people in place and keep them there with little to no effort.

Why people under-estimate the damage caused by the Bowcaster Bolt is beyond me, He clearly struggles with it and as mentioned before he's not trying to defeat Rey, but to get her to join him.

 

Personally I'm hoping that some of Luke's padawans survived. The idea that we're back to ground zero again is incredibly disappointing and completely negates everything Luke was trying to accomplish. It makes him come across as a total failure and essentially makes the ST a total rehash of the OT. The fact that Kylo Ren comes across as weak and ineffectual by the end of TFA only makes it worse. Right now we're essentially left with a washout apprentice who wishes he was Vader, a new Emperor clone and Luke Skywalker 2.0. The fact that Rey comes across as being way more powerful than Luke was and Ren is significantly weaker than Vader makes the setup feel rather disappointing. Episode VIII had better do something to change things up because right now it seems like the stage has been set for a pretty dull retelling of Episodes IV-VI.

 

Said it on the other thread(s). Pablo Hidalgo has confirmed that this scene in the rain is not the Jedi Academy. I'm not sure where that leaves us...

 

The crawl anoints Luke as the last Jedi, so there's not much wiggle room there — any of Luke's students with the right stuff to "count" in the same way he does are officially already dead (or turned, carbon-frozen, etc.).

It puts a huge burden on the shoulders of the future book, game, comic, etc. writers. Another 30 years of timeline without fully trained Jedi, except for Luke. Dear God. Yes, maybe some of his students got pretty good, but very obviously not good enough.

So... hope you enjoy years more stories about the next Ezras and Kanans!

Yippee.

 

Yeah and I also wonder if there is much interest in these students (books, comics,animation), since we know they are all killed off later. So maybe they can better make a series of Luke's journey to the first Jedi temple.

 

Even more than that, you spend a good chunk of those intervening years with no Falcon and with R2 powered down. Twisting the knife a little, to put those up on the shelf too!