Kyp Durron's Power Level

man, my titles sure are bland..sorry if this may seem a bit redundant.

Anyway, I was hoping I could get a few answers and maybe a little discussion going.

My qestions are rather thin so bare with me please.

A few weeks ago I finished Enemy Lines I. In the novel there was a line that caught my attention, as i am sure it did most of you as well.

This is from page 238, Kyp and Jaina are trying to rescue Jag from a swarm of Skips and a Interdictor. Kyp is about to use the force to do..er..something to the the gravity well singularities to allow him to nail it with a Torp:

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He'd known since the day they'd met--that he had more pure power than the Legendary Jedi Master. But this was,perhaps, the first time he'd been able to say it to himself without a thrill of pride. He was stronger, and that was all. It usally didnt matter. Now it did.
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YO! now that is something to meditate on for a time eh? This passage can be interpreted in many ways. This thought of Kyp's isnt in a state of arrogance, he truly beleives he is stronger than the Grandson of the Force. Very intriguing dont you say?

I am a Kyp fan, I didnt start this thread for the purpose of Proving that Kyp's stronger than Luke. Because this is to the point of utter StarWars Blasphemy! Has the NJO made luke such a pansy compared to the way he used to be that Durron thinks he;s stronger!?!? To a extent Kyp is probably correct. The way Luke is in the NJO is certainly seems true...

But the main meat of my question is:
Is Allston just portraying Kyps delusioned mind, or are they elluding to him actually having more "Pure" "Power" ?

I hope not.

Discuss!

 

Something else, As most know WK's theory about Han Dying in TUF. one of his reasons is that by han sacrificing himself for the GFFA it would take his character development a full 180 from ANH.

Personally even though Kyps my favorite EU Character, I think it would be fitting to see him go instead. Kyp dying to save many lives would help "redeem" him from his past troubles.

After seeing Ganner take out thousands of Vong before he died. And Anakin downright Glowing with the force. It would be Sweet to see what Kyp would do.

EDIT: Aye! forgot one more thing, I would like to hear some opinions as well of where Kyps "level" should be. whether or not he should be below,on par, or above Luke in terms of "Pure" Power.
thanks,
Blithe

 

Well, in Jedi Search Luke remarks that Kyp has "amazing power" and was actually hurled backwards by the raw force of his power. So it shows that he does have a high power level, but not really if he is on par with Luke.

 

Many authors have tackled Kyp's apparant power differently, but the consensus seems to be that Kyp has more "raw potential" power, but Luke has far more of a balanced, poised and trained power, that in the end makes him the greater Jedi.

Of course, they're both still young. Anything could still change in their individual power types and training.

 

Try Allston's SW FAQ on his website. He was asked about that line and explains it on his site.

 

Thanks Guy's!

 

I think that Kyp thinks he is stronger than Luke, but is not even close.

True, he was written to seem that way when Luke did his little test. However, I feel it is important to remember that this book came out before we knew Luke was the grandson of the Force. Probably would have been written a little different had that fact been known.

 

"Grandson of the force"

 

However, it should be noted, that even Luke thinks Kyp has the potential to be stronger than him in the force, when he did the mind test to him in JAT.

For the nature of how that test works, and how it determines level of potential power, or trained power, see the Tales of the Jedi Companion;

Sense Force Potential... This power allows a Jedi to probe the mind of a target, and determine whether that person has the potential to be strong in the Force.

The deep subconscious of a Force-sensitive person is shielded by a protective barrier which prevents another Force wielder from penetrating his or her inner mind. This shield pushes violently back at an intruder, sending him or her stumbling back. This "shield" is an involuntary defence mechanism maintained by every Force-sensitive person. It is one reliable way to determine which people might have the potential to become Jedi.

The magnitude of the backlash generated by the shield depends on the character's strength in the Force. A person who is merely Force-sensitive will shove the intruder back several feet. Someone with actual Force skills will produce a more intense reaction. Those with little training will send the intruder reeling back across the room. Someone who is well-trained, or who has a great deal of raw talent in the Force, might actually hurl an intruder across the room.

As one might remember, Kyp actually sent Luke across the room when he tested him using this power.

The history and info for this test has not been changed by WOTC, as far as I know. Kyp may have been written differently had JAT came out after the prequels. But that isn't what happened, and LFL has not infinitized the JAT, so it is still the history that occured in the official continuity.

However it should be noted that there is a difference between potential power(the ultimate that someone can obtain), and useable power(the power that someone can use based on the level of training that they have).

Someone who has little training will not be able to use their full potential. Where as someone who has completed every possible aspect of training would be able to use all of his potential.

However, one should also take into account force atrophy... Where one characters convinces another character, or themself, to stop reaching his/her potential, and the character becomes weaker with the lack of the use of power, the character isn't capable of doing what he used to be able to do, because he simply hadn't been doing it anymore... Cough, Luke after listening to Mara, ...

 

Although JAT is in continuity, I think a little retro-active fixing may be in order. I would assume that the Grandson of the Force probably trumps Kyp.

Besides, the test seems a bit qualitative rather than quantitative, and may not be completely accurate for doing a comparison. If the Force adeptness of the tester, not just the testee makes a difference, then it is not clear even from that test who is number one.

 

This is presuming its a midi-counter

* The Machine could be busted
* The Machine could measure in fact specific types of force energy
* Kyp may give off more "natural static" than luke

All valid answers

I agree though, Luke is a divine lineage!

 

There really isn't anything that needs to be retroactively thrown out. Luke thinking that Kyp had the potential of being stronger than him in the force, and Kyp thinking he was stronger in the force do not contradict anything. It's all a matter of interpretation.

The thing I like about it is its open to interpretation, no author has said that Kyp isn't stronger than luke. No author has said that Luke is stronger than Kyp. So it's all open to individual fans interpretation... The way they like to see it.

In anycase either Kyp and Luke are wrong about Kyps level of potential, or both are correct about his level of potential, . Its plain and simple that it could be either way, .

However, I'd point out on pure rpg standpoint, Anakin may have been born of the force but his stats were not much higher if any than any other Jedi that had reached a high level of their individual potential even by WOTC standards, . However, I don't have a copy of Kyp's WOTC status to see how they treat him currently, .

However, from the JAT standpoint, Luke who had the most training of any Jedi at that time sent those testing him back a ways, but Kyp who had little training sent everyone who tested him back a long ways. Why he has raw potential energy who knows but he does. But raw potential energy doesn't mean he is capable of becoming the best Jedi. As far as I remember Yoda, outclassed Anakin's and Lukes stats, even though he didn't have as much potential in WOTC stats, .

Based on the facts set forth in JAT, and the various sourcebooks that discuss the test, there are a couple of interpretations, either Kyp had more training that Luke received from his masters. Therefore he was using trained potential, and couldn't get much more than what the test was showing...

...or Kyp had very little training, compared to the amount that luke received, and what the test showed was his raw potential what he was capable of reaching, if he ever got trained. In which case if he ever got fully trained then the outcome of the test would increase depending on the level of further training...

As for the power of sense force potential, the force prodding by the one doing the test is always the same(including the required powers needed to use the sense force potential power) from any individual that does the test to the one being tested, according to the game rules. The only thing that affects it is the willingness of the one taking the test. In the case that the one being tested is not willing, then one doing the prodding will not be able to prod into the part of the mind, and nothing will happen, there will be no pushback as if the one being tested had no force potential. However if the person is willing, then that is when the test shows different levels of throwback based on the individual's potential, or level of training.

Charlegmagne... no one brought up the force tester paddle technology from JAT, that's a different topic altogether, what those paddles test are two kinds of potential. Potential for the power of light, shown with blue aura, or potential for power of darkness shown with a red aura, according to info in the POTJSB.

Its simply not the same thing as the sense Force potential power. Which was established in several sourcebooks including TOTJ companion, and JAT sourcebook, among others.