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Laminium v.s. Quantum Armor

Discussion in 'Literature' started by GrandAdmiralJello , Dec 8, 2002.

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  1. GrandAdmiralJello

    GrandAdmiralJello Comms Admin ❉ Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque star 10 Staff Member Administrator

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    According to SbS, Laminium armor is better than Quantum armor--and it's apparentely based along the same tech.

    If so, leads to several questions.

    1.) Where did Lando aquire readouts for Quantum Crystal armor?

    2.) Why does Laminium get penetrated by thud bugs? Quantum armoring on the Sun Crusher wasn't thicker--it was only two layers of molecules, according to Xux.
     
  2. Bib Fortuna Twi'lek

    Bib Fortuna Twi'lek Jedi Youngling star 10

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    Laminamium armor is much thicker than quantum armor. The only reason it's widely considered better than quantum is because it can heal itself.
     
  3. Warlord_Ken

    Warlord_Ken Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    According to SbS, Laminium armor is better than Quantum armor--and it's apparentely based along the same tech.

    Well, what's the direct quote? "Better" may depend on a number of factors.

    If so, leads to several questions.

    1.) Where did Lando aquire readouts for Quantum Crystal armor?


    <shrugs> Maybe it was background knowledge, or stuff he studied into. Again, how he defines "better" may be key.

    Or maybe his status in the NR allowed him to have a little chat with Dr. Qwi Xux.

    2.) Why does Laminium get penetrated by thud bugs? Quantum armoring on the Sun Crusher wasn't thicker--it was only two layers of molecules, according to Xux.

    Hmm...well if laminanium can get penetrated by thud bugs, quantum would be succuumb to thud bugs too...but given that it can ram right through the command tower of an Imperial Star Destroyer and come out without a scratch, I doubt that very much.

    Again, we need to know what "better" means. Maybe more inexpensive? Quantum armor was supposed to be really expensive, and impractical for mass production of war droids.
     
  4. GrandAdmiralJello

    GrandAdmiralJello Comms Admin ❉ Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque star 10 Staff Member Administrator

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    Bib: As opposed to armor that has no need for healing?

    Wk: Qui Xux had a memory wipe, if you recall.
     
  5. Matthew Trias

    Matthew Trias Force Ghost star 6

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    Jello, Luke captured a ship with quauntum armor hull plating from the shadow Academy. It's possible Lando's scientists examined that shipmany years ago.
     
  6. GrandAdmiralJello

    GrandAdmiralJello Comms Admin ❉ Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque star 10 Staff Member Administrator

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    *blink* I remember that--I read about it in the first Essential Guide to Characters.

    Now I'll launch my next question: Where did the Shadow Chaser (That's its name, IIRC) get its Quantum Armor from?
     
  7. Coota

    Coota Jedi Padawan star 4

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    I think that in this case, "better" means extremely powerful(though not *as* powerful as Quantum armor), self healing, and a *lot* cheaper than Quantum armor(which is the most important part), much like a previous poster said.
     
  8. Jai

    Jai Jedi Youngling star 1

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    Didn't Daala have all the technical info on all the stuff from maw??? Once the imps had it dark jedi wouldn't have a massive problem getting hold of some...

    If so there you go... 2 + 2 = 4
     
  9. Matthew Trias

    Matthew Trias Force Ghost star 6

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    Didn't Daala have all the technical info on all the stuff from maw??? Once the imps had it dark jedi wouldn't have a massive problem getting hold of some...

    Yep, she took that info with her to the Imperial held Core.

     
  10. DarthKyp99

    DarthKyp99 Jedi Youngling star 1

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    there is no way laminium can he better than quantum
    the sun crusher took a partial hit from a death star and still survived. plus no to mention ramming thru a star destroyers bridge. they always made quantum sound invulnerable.
     
  11. Jedi_Andrew_Solo

    Jedi_Andrew_Solo Jedi Grand Master star 2

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    Lando had ships with Quantum armor when he was mining gems in the Core of Yavin. I don't believe it told how he came across the technology, this was close to the same time Luke got a hold of the Shadow Chaser.
     
  12. KansasNavy

    KansasNavy Jedi Master star 4

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    You're mistaking quantum armor and quantum-crystalline armor. Quantum armor is like kevlar (remember, Anakin's strike team wore quantum-threaded personal armor). Quantum fiber combined with molytex creates laminanium armor.

    I did a double-take when I read "quantum", but realized it was something different from quantum-crystalline armor.
     
  13. Valiento

    Valiento Jedi Knight star 7

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    "there is no way laminium can he better than quantum
    the sun crusher took a partial hit from a death star and still survived. plus no to mention ramming thru a star destroyers bridge. they always made quantum sound invulnerable."

    A reduced powered beam from the death star, and not a direct hit, IIRC.
     
  14. Voyxn_Killaz

    Voyxn_Killaz Jedi Youngling star 1

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    In regards to Qwi Xux's memory, I remember distinctly in the book that Wedge gets dumped, Qwi says that she can recreate it. She could do it all over again. It's just that those particular memories are removed. The mathematical foundations are still in her head.
     
  15. GrandAdmiralJello

    GrandAdmiralJello Comms Admin ❉ Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque star 10 Staff Member Administrator

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    Kansas: Does any source actually distinguish between the two? I've never heard of anything that suggests that.

    Val: If you recall your Quantum Theory (hehe, funny that), the intensity of light does not affect its energy. Thus, even a single photon of a super-laser is as energetic as the entire beam. It doesn't matter how much hit the Sun Crusher as long as some of it did.
     
  16. Valiento

    Valiento Jedi Knight star 7

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    Ok, so your saying that there is no difference if a low powered beam hit the suncrusher, or a high powered beam hit the suncrusher as it would all effect it the same way?

    So there is no reason to charge a blast to full power hit a planet, because a low power beam would obliterate a planet just as well?

    Your saying there is no difference between a high power beam or a low power beam?

    Your saying in the case of movies where a beam doesn't hit a ship head on and just grazes it causing a burn, or no effect at all(where as in the same movies if said beam hits straight on the ship explodes from the heat) is inaccurate because any part of the beam would have been enough to effect the entire ship (or not depending on the armor material) in the exact same way as if it had been a solid hit?

    I'm not quite reading you entirely.
     
  17. Knight1192

    Knight1192 Jedi Knight star 6

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    they always made quantum sound invulnerable.


    Yet the blackhole the Sun Crusher fell into was able to crush the ship despite the aromr.
     
  18. GrandAdmiralJello

    GrandAdmiralJello Comms Admin ❉ Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque star 10 Staff Member Administrator

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    No, you're right that it is a low-powered beam. I'm not contesting that.

    What I'm saying is, according to Quantum Mechanics, the energy of a light beam does not increase based on its intensity. A small flashlight and a large flashlight, both powered by 1.5 volt batteries and with similar hardware, would produce the exact same amount of energy.

    Thus, a grazing impact would product the same amount of damage as a direct hit--but only over the area it affected. If I grazed you with a laser, I could completely burn the skin off the side of your arm. If I shot it at your head, I could completely burn through your entire head. In both cases, the same degree of damage (to the affected parts), has been achieved because energy is a function of speed*Planck's Constant over wavelength. Intensity does not figure in the equation--and this is backed up by direct observational data.

    The Sun Crusher is smaller than a superlaser beam, and a gazing impact is enough to affect the entire ship. Thus, a head-on collision would do the same damage as a grazing impact. Even if it didn't, the energy amounts are still equal. If a piece of a superlaser beam cannot destroy a piece of the Sun Crusher, than the hole thing could not either--because most of the beam wouldn't even hit the thing anyways.
     
  19. Valiento

    Valiento Jedi Knight star 7

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    "they always made quantum sound invulnerable.


    Yet the blackhole the Sun Crusher fell into was able to crush the ship despite the aromr."

    It was invulnerable, but pliable.

    Remember solid corusca gems in the center of Yavin left dents in it, IIRC.
     
  20. GrandAdmiralJello

    GrandAdmiralJello Comms Admin ❉ Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque star 10 Staff Member Administrator

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    Really? I must've missed that. I didn't pay attention to details when I was younger, and I haven't read JAT in years...
     
  21. YoungJedi11

    YoungJedi11 Jedi Knight star 5

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    Woah...I was going to say something until we got into Quantum Mechanics...carry on. :)
     
  22. GrandAdmiralJello

    GrandAdmiralJello Comms Admin ❉ Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque star 10 Staff Member Administrator

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    Well, I didn't want to get too deep into it. It gets really weird at some points.

    I just stated a principle and backed out of it.

    Still, its application into Quantum Armor is ironic.
     
  23. YoungJedi11

    YoungJedi11 Jedi Knight star 5

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    Yeah, I was extremely confused as well when Lando said that Laminium was better was than Quantum, and then the Laminium proceeded to be dented and pierced by thud and razor bugs. Go figure. I imagine if the war droids were coated with the same type as the Sun Crusher, they would only need one to win the war. Hey...they should do that! :D
     
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