Leia vs Mara

so who is stronger in the force and why?

The jedi master Mara Jade who earned that rank rather dubiously IMO, or Leia Organa Solo whose abilities are often underestimated...

 

Leia stood up to Vader's torture with nary a ruffled feather (so to speak), and barely flinched at her homeworld's destruction.

Mara cracked when Thrawn merely suggested there might be other Hands, and cried when her ship crashed.

 

Easy, easy question. Leia. The competition isn't even close.

 

Leia, obviously. She's the daughter of the chosen one. And she wouldn't cry over something like crashing her ship.

 

In Mara's defense, I'd say she was still dazed by the constant YOU WILL KILL LUKE SKYWALKER, and Thrawn had an easier time breaking her. Leia would still win, though.

 

Leia without a doubt. She has endured so much and it has made her a stronger woman as a result, both physically and mentally.

 

I have to disagree. Yes Mara is not the universe's greatest diplomat, that's Leia's job, but when it comes to push and shove Mara is better in a fight.

She has years of training and did not neglect her jedi training (later) as Leia did. Mara is now a full Jedi Master where as Leia is still an amatuer.

As to Mara cracking and crying, Leia has shed more than her share of tears. And think about it, your house burns to the ground... are you seriously not going to cry?

I hope I haven't offended anyone, I come across stronger than I intend sometimes. These are just my opinions.

 

I have to disagree. Yes Mara is not the universe's greatest diplomat, that's Leia's job, but when it comes to push and shove Mara is better in a fight.

She has years of training and did not neglect her jedi training (later) as Leia did. Mara is now a full Jedi Master where as Leia is still an amatuer.


I think it's oft forgotten that Leia, too had great training.

 

She had the same teacher as Mara, (Luke) but didn't keep up with her training as she should have done.

 

Not talking about that, I'm talking about learning to fight, to survive, all that while on ALderaan. Leia's a crack shot, etc. etc...

 

so a former trained assasin won't have those skill's?

 

It think it's fairly clear that the fictitious brunette would kick the fictitious redhead's butt. Leia's a strong, stable woman. Mara's had emotional problem after emotional problem, not to mention a long-lasting wasting illness.

 

That was natural, physical training though. I don't deny that she's a crackshot and all that. But, oh man, what book was it in? Ummm maybe Jedi Search or the New Rebellion. Luke was trying to train her to do something with the Force, but she couldn't get it right because her natural training was taking over and she couldn't use the Force properly. (Although she is doing better lately)

Mara doesn't have that block. Her skill only adds to what the Force guides.

Again, if I'm sounding pushy and obnoxious, I'm not meaning to.

 

IAmTheDarkSide, have you read SbS yet?

 

so a former trained assasin won't have those skill's?

I know Mara's had them, I was pointing out that Leia does too.

 

IAmTheDarkSide, have you read SbS yet?

Yes I have.

 

Ok, the illness is gone, remember?

As for the emotional problems, sometimes those make you a stronger person than someone who has lived an easy life. (No, I'm not saying Leia's life was easy, just easier than Mara's)

 

I know the illness is gone, but even with the Force everything isn't all better right away. And I think that though Mara's had some really rough times, Leia's overall had a harder life.

 

My mouth is going to be the end of me.

whatever.

 

Please elaborate.

 

Ok, but are you mad at me, or just the world? That smilie is angry. (duh, mara )

Yes, Leia has had a hard life. She had a loving family that took her in as their own daughter, raised her as a Princess, and then was brutally ripped away by a mass muderer that turned out to be her father.

But, along the way, Leia knew love. She knew what it meant to be cared for, and wanted. She found love in Han, a brother in Luke, she had 3 beautiful children, and established freedom in the universe. (for a while, at least)

Mara, on the other hand, was taken from her parents at a young age, and retained no memory of them. She was raised by the Emperor as a trained assassin, a weird psuedo dark side apprentice, if you will.

Mara searched her whole life for love and stability, never finding either until she met Luke, and even then spit in her destiny's face by trying to kill him. (not smart, girl)

I just think that Mara has had a harder life, that's all.

 

Mara is nothing.

Leia is the daughter of the Chosen One. She's stronger. And it's only through the fault of EU authors that she has remained as untrained as she has. Mara Jade's creator, Timothy Zahn, had Leia practicing with lightsabers and using the Force with much skill. Other authors have ignored that in favor of Mara.

Leia rules!

 

Leia is by far stronger in the force than Mara. Being a Jedi Knight or Master is not the only way that the force can be used. Leia's force abilities have allowed her to have a strong will, strong character, has aided her as a diplomat, has keep her on the path of doing good deeds. It also has kept her strong during times of crisis such as her world (family and friends) being blown to bits.


Han has had a very hard life, lost his parents when he was very young. He was abused and exploited. I don't see anyone saying he has to be the best at everything because of his hard life. I also don't see why that would entitled Mara to the highest honors either.

 

Ok, but are you mad at me, or just the world? That smilie is angry.

I am the Dark Side. Doesn't if figure that I'd be perpetually angry?

 

As to Mara cracking and crying, Leia has shed more than her share of tears. And think about it, your house burns to the ground... are you seriously not going to cry?

Leia lost her home twice already, once when Alderaan was destroyed (and that's MUCH bigger than Mara's loss, that's billions of people on a planet, not an inanimate object), and when Coruscant was captured in SBS. She didn't break down and sob either of those times. I'm sure she grieved more when she was in private, but Mara strikes me as being weaker in how she responded to losing her ship.

As for her training, one of my gripes about the EU is how it has been mishandled. However, if she *had* been trained to be a full Jedi, she would've been much stronger than Mara. She's the daughter of the Chosen one, after all.