List of people who knew Palpatine was behind the Clone Wars

I am trying to figure out just how many people knew Palpatine, as Sidious, was controlling both sides of the Clone Wars. Keep in mind that while all of these people would presumably know that Palpatine was the Sith Lord Darth Sidious, not everyone who knew that Palpatine was a Sith Lord would know that he was behind the Clone Wars. Therefore, this list is not counting people such as Darth Vader and Sate Pestage knew of Palpatine's dual identity as a Sith, but did not know that Palpatine had been behind the Separatist movement. The current list includes:

Count Dooku
Mas Amedda
Sly Moore
Kinman Dorianna
Grand Moff Tarkin
Obi-Wan Kenobi (possibly)
Yoda (presumably)

Anyone else?

 

Didn't the Clone Trooper in Labyrinth of Evil put 2 & 2 together before he was killed?

 

Count Dooku

Yes

Mas Amedda
Sly Moore

I don't think either of these knew Palpatine was behind the Clone Wars.

Kinman Dorianna

Absolutely not. Kinman was so deluded he didn't even know that Palpatine=Sidious

Grand Moff Tarkin
I don't think Tarkin even knows Palpatine was a Sith Lord

Obi-Wan Kenobi (possibly)
Yoda (presumably)

As shown in ROTS, Yoda and Obi-Wan both know all by the end.

 

It wasn't a clone trooper, although presumably they figured it out as well when he came out of the underground chamber; it was an INtelligence guy, IIRC we get the POV from.
Also, it was stated that MAs Amedda and Sly Moore both knew that Palps was a Sith in the last Insider.

 

A little off-topic, but who knew post ROTS that Palpatine = Sidious?

Did the originators of the Rebel Alliance ever know, ie: Mon Mothma, Bail Organa, Garm Bel Iblis?

 

Well, it's said that following the Clone Wars, Doriana found out that Palpatine and Sidious were one and the same. Keep in mind that it's not a list of people who knew this information during the Clone Wars, so he should be on it.

Tarkin definitely knew, and was involved with the development of the Death Star on both Separatist and Imperial sides.

It's been directly stated that Mas Amedda and Sly Moore knew, and I shouldn't even have to explain why Dooku's on the list. Obi-Wan and Yoda are never directly mentioned as knowing, but it should be pretty obvious to them after Order 66, as it should be to all Jedi. Then again, it should've also been obvious to Anakin, but somehow he never figured it out.

 

Well, it's said that following the Clone Wars, Doriana found out that Palpatine and Sidious were one and the same.

Said by whom? Fans? LFL? Random people in the street?

 

Vader isn't that thick (mentally speaking ), surely he would figure out from the fact that Sidious could tell him exactly where to find the Separatist leadership, give him the security codes to allow him to land and that the Separatists addressed him by name and said they were expecting him that Palps was on good terms with the Seppies ?

It seems more likely to me that Vader knows almost everything about it but just doesn't care.

 

Actually, just the other day I heard some neighbors engaging in some gossip about that Doriana....


Anyway.... yeah, they made it pretty clear in Zahn's "Hero of Cartao" series (which was wrapped up way too fast, but that's for another day...) that Kinman Doriana had no clue as to who Sids or Palps really were. Heck, he was gossiping about the two of them in front of each one in separate disguises!

 

What about General Grevious?

 

I don't think he knew.

 

Doubtful.

Are you sure Pestage didn't know?

 

Unless Grievous and Palpatine were putting on a play for the audience in the Clone Wars cartoon, I don't think Grievous had any inkling at all of Palpatine's plans.

I do so love that smirk off his face when Palpy asks "Whatever would your master say?".

 

Pestage was pretty nervous during the attack on Coruscant in LOE, but that's not to say that he didn't know.

From Cloak of Deception, we know that he knew that Palpatine wasn't the nice guy he seemed in public, and he had no problem in helping his boss in breaking into senator's offices, planting evidence, and conspiring to bring down Valorum with an illegal money transfer.

Since Pestage also was responsible for COMPNOR, he presumably held his authoritarian and speciesist views during the Republic as well, which might help decide Palpatine to let him in on it.

 

What about the Fetts? Or at least Boba?

In the Boba Fett young readers books, Boba realizes he has a great secret in that he knows that Dooku and Tyranus are the same that the leader of the CIS was at least partly responsible for the creation of the opposite sides army, indicating a conspiracy on the Republic's side. In the last book he gives this info to Palpatine who says he already knows. And Boba realizes that it's Palpatine who has conspired the entire war.
Palpatine lets Boba live with this knowlege, thinking he'll be useful someday in the future.

Jango was playing both sides too, training ARC's and other training personnel, but working at Tyranus' body guard. He surely figured something out.

 

Wouldn't Bail Organa have figured it out considering that he was escorting both Yoda and Obi-Wan? Or maybe the Jedi told him what was going on.

 

I would assume the most of the senators COULD figure it out. They may have known that there was a Sith Master behind the Separatists. Plus, again, Palpatine taking on someone by the name of "Darth" Vader as an apprentice should have clued them in.
Why they didn't even think twice when someone who doesn't look or even sound like Palpatine but looks more like a Sith Lord is proclaiming himself emperor and has just killed off the jedi generals of their army, I don't know.

 

Was about to bring this specfic point up myself, but Coffee beat me to the coffee-punch. Yes, the Zahn stories do make the point -- rather clearly and unequivocally -- that Doriana was not privy to Sidious's true persona up to the Battle of Jabiim, at the earliest. He was entrusted with enough "big" assignments over the years at arm's length from Sidious, but we don't know whether he ever fully revealed himself to Doriana, unlike what the evidence suggests for Pestage.

Additionally, there's that bit near the end of LoE where Palpatine Force-tricks Grievous, which essentially demonstrated that the general likewise had no inkling of whom Palps truly was...and I tend to take Luceno's novel as more authoritative than the winky-nudge moment in the animated series' abduction.

 

Since Obi-wan tells Padme the truth: "It appears that the Chancellor is behind everything, including the war. Palpatine is the Sith Lord we've been looking for."

it would make sense that either he or Yoda would also tell Bail Organa the truth.

i don't know if the Senators would have really cared about the sith aspect. probably it was rumored that "Darth" was a name used in some ancient anti-jedi cult. only those who were jedi supporters might have heard that the sith were real and were back, and they might be too scared to speak up or were arrested for treason. the jedi didn't want it well known that the Dooku was sith, and palpatine certainly wanted dooku to appear to be a jedi (so that it looks like the war was started by a jedi as part of a larger jedi conspiracy against the republic).

 

Could R2, know? Or TC-16 (was she destroyed, I don't remember)?
I think R2 was there when they saw the image of Sidous in LoE. Surely he put two and two together since he's a walking calculator.
TC-16 has probably seen Sidious, too. Maybe even in person. She probably figured it out afterwards too. If she's still functional.

 

What? That is teh stupid. Palps would fry the little bugger -- having Boba know makes no sense. Hand ought to be able to figure that out.

 

She's still working, just insane.

 

After RotJ, the entire galaxy.

 

How so? Just because Palpatine himself died doesn't mean everything he did would become public knowledge. In fact, by RotJ most of the people who ever did know Palpatine had manipulated the Clone Wars were dead.

 

You've all missed R2D2.