Literature Forum project: Casualty estimates for the Yuuzhan Vong invasion

Why? I'm sick and I'm bored.

Now, I did something like this in the past, but it was much more limited in scope. Given as how this war is the most devastating the Galaxy has seen since the Clone wars, I thought it would be a good idea to try to figure out how many have died (both the GFFA and the Yuuzhan Vong). I was inspired by Sturm Antilies' thread so you can blame him for this if it fails.

There will be four main categories (Vong mil | civ.; GFFA mil | civ), with possible sub categories later on (Jedi losses vs. Vong ground losses).

Yuuzhan Vong military losses.

I'll start off with the biggest battles and we'll work down from there to smaller ones, and eventually estimations of Vong losses we've heard about but not actually seen. Same for GFFA military.

Now, the average I got for the big Vong military losses comes from NJO sourcebook information. A Vong ship has a low of 100 crew (minimally crewed corvette) to a high of 10,000 (Yuuzhan Vong troop carriers). The majority of Vong warships have a crew of 1000-2000. Seeing as how its impossible to figure exactly the number of Vong on each ship. 1,500 is a good low end average for calculating, with many small ships (less than 2,000) balancing out the fewer large ships (greater than 2,000). So for the sake of these calculations unless it is a special ship (Like Czulkang Lah's worldship), the average Vong ship has a crew of 1,500.

Smaller battles (Ithor, Garqi, Ord Mantell etc) are not included for the time being because those losses can be found exactly. i.e. the number & class of the ships destroyed are listed.

So let's get cracking. Remember, biggest battles first, then working down from there.

Vector Prime:

Three Yuuzhan Vong Worldships with a crew of 5,000 each*. Several dozen corvettes 24 X 100 (average Vong corvette crew) and 3,000 coral skippers (1,000 per worldship).

* (specific crew number by Prefect Da'gara)

15,000 + 2,400 + 3,000 = approximately 20,400 Yuuzhan Vong killed in Vector Prime.

Not a bad way to start a war.

Jedi Eclipse:

Biggest Vong defeat yet, but at a high price.

"Several hundred" Vong warships attacked Fondor. A reasonable estimate would be 500 enemy warships with full fighter support.

Estimated losses done by Republic fleet, 10% (fierce resistance but not enough to stop the attack), losses from Centerpoint 50%. Approx Vong losses 60% X 500 = 300 warships destroyed. 300 X 1500 = 450,000 Vong KIA

Total for book = 450,000
Total for series = 470,400

Star by Star:



Arkania

Large feint with high losses.

Estimated fleet size 5,000, estimated losses 100.

100 X 1500 = 150,000

Borelis

High losses due to Dovin basil breach of the minefeild.

100 X 1500 = 150,000
Losses to three Vong assault divisions (30,000), "The infidels are putting up stiff resistance", for a Vong that's a LOT.
15,000 vong KIA
Total losses 165,000.

Next massive engagement Black Bantha.

-"1,000 warships with more arriving every mineut!"

Estimated Yuuzahn Vong fleet size 1,250. A complete massacre.

1,250 X 1500 = 1,875,000

Battle of Coruscant
Estimated Vong fleet at 25,000 ships. -"Tens of thousands of ships with more arriving any second".

1/2 the fleet destroyed by fleet groups 1-3 before reaching Coruscant airspace. 12,500 ships lost.
1,000 lost to mines.
500 lost to Bel Iblis' kamakazi charge.
500 lost to remaining orbital platforms and fleet groups.

total fleet losses 14,500 ships

1,500 X 14,500

21,750,000

Two waves of dropships destroyed = approx 200,000 KIA.
25,000 troops killed by Borsk Felya.
Another 50,000 securing the planet (low end estimate)

275,000 KIA

Total losses for the invasion of Coruscant

22,025,000 KIA

Total book losses: 24,215,000
Total series losses: 24,685,400

Borelis:

Lusankya ambush: 36 warships approx (dozens of ships blinking from white to red) 2/3's destroyed. 24 X 1,500 = 36,000.
Czulkang Lah's worldship, SSD-Death Star evqivilant. Approx KIA, 250,000.
Approx of other capital ship losses other than those specifically mentioned in book, 12. 13,000

Approx KIA exempting specific kills,

299,000 for book
total for s

 

Dude, thats a high number. Spell it out though. Whats the right way to say it.

 

I mean, Earth alone has, what? 3 billion people. If the Vong have even just that much for their entire population, only 1/60th of their population has been killed...even if you factor out the non-combatants like shamed ones, that's still alot of Vong left.

Earth actually has close to 6 billion.

Anyways, in DW, Ackbar says that they had killed one-third of the Vong. So if you subtract the loses during DW and FH1, then multiply by three i guess that would give their approximate number at the start of the invasion. Then subtract your number there and that would be how many YV are left. Approximatly.

 

Actually, most of the colonies in the galaxy only have millions, not billions of residents.

47 million (to answer your question Nerak ) dead Vong might not seem like a huge number. But remember, they wiped out most of their own civilization before entering the GFFA. What we're seeing is a "technologically" advanced remnant of a species.

Actually, Ackbar said they've killed 1/3 of their warriors. There are five Yuuzhan Vong castes though, Preist, Intendant, Warrior, Shaper, and Shamed Ones.

We haven't finished with total military Vong losses yet. Once we are, we can just X 3 to get a resonable estimate for how many Vong warriors there are.

Hey, at least it's FAR higher than "1.2 million" Clones.

Tommorow I'll start on the smaller battles.

 

Actually, I think those estimates are a little low. I'd say that your average worldship would have a population adding up to that of a small country, at least. Perhaps 3 million apiece.

 

Wow... I didn't realise that the casualties would be so high!

GREAT PROJECT!

 

Wow, I didn't realize how bad Vong losses were. I'm interested to see NR losses in comparison to that number. Great idea!

 

The next installment is coming later to day. With the smaller battles of Dantooine, Garqi, Ithor and Ord Mantell, I may consider increase the predicted causalties for the worldship bound Shamed Ones because 10 million is pretty conservative (considering how Shimrra said they ALL died every single one on the old and poor worldships).

 

How about the Republic? Coruscant alone accounts for probably 500,000,000,000 deaths at this point.

 

The NR deaths have to have been supplimented by the complete destruction of any logistics and supply combined with the requirement to feed billions/trillions of refugees and the neccesity of transfering existing transporting capability to military useage and even worse refugee transportaiton gives you a logistics problem that's not only been completely ignored, but that would be impossible for a good government to handle, much less the bumbling corruption of the NR.

My best estimate for NR Civilian from direct Vong action is in the tens to hundred of billions. The indirect deaths caused by population movement, the disease and conditions in the refugee camps, the lack of food and other problems puts the estimated civilian deaths in the tens probably hundreds of trillians.

This is of course probably a low ball estimates assumign the vong have actually occupied every world in their territory combined with no estimate of the population of the galaxy or any firm idea on how things have actually transpired that don't directly relate to Jedi love triangles.

In any case the number of deaths, even assuming the Vong all disappeared at the end of Heretic, would be in the quadrillions as it would be literally impossible to suddenly turn everythign around to deal with the vast humanitarian(and alientarian?) crisis that has built up during the invasion. Numbers so large that literally have no meaning to us.

 

Unlike the New Republic/Galactic Alliance military which frequently has kill ratios very much in their favor in regaurds to the Vong military, New Republic civilans casualties have been catastrophic.

60 billion died on Coruscant alone, fortunately, the other 940 billion are still alive. Small consolation though.

Small battles:

(Note: all kills made by Jedi/starfighters in vector prime are part of the prior crew counts so they are unlisted for the sake of accuracy)

Drubrillion:

approx 24 coralskippers destroyed by Lando's mobile cannon ambushes. Reasonable to say the least.

Dantooine (and prior battles):

2 killed by Corran Horn
2 killed by Anakin Solo
2 killed by Luke Skywalker
1 killed by Jacen Solo
8 Vong killed in their ground vehicles, 6 in the small ones, 2 in the Rakamaut.
6 infiltrators.
24 coral skippers shot down by the Rogues.
A Vong crusier heavily damaged, say, half were killed so that would be approx 650 KIA.

Grand total for first two books: 719 KIA Vong

Ithor & Garqi

10 Yuuzhan Vong killed by Jedi/Noghiri/resistance fighters.
72 fighters approx killed by combined rogue squadron/Chiss squadrons
1 Vong corvette destroyed: 100 KIA

2 Vong light cruisers and 1 corvette destroyed: 1100.
1 Vong grand cruiser fully crewed and staffed. 6,000 KIA.
144 approx Vong fighters destroyed
Approx 90 Vong killed by Corran's trap, NR commandos and Noghiri on the ground.
12 Vong killed on Ithorian herdship by Luke Skywalker and his Jedi.

Book total: 7528 KIA.

8247 combined losses.

Ord Mantell (and prior battles)

13 Yuuzhan Vong killed in the atempt on Elan.
500 killed on Vong spawn ship.
36 fighters destroyed in feinted recovery of Elan + 1 Vong agent.
(forgot yomin carr too) +1
144 fighters destroyed at Ord Mantell approx
2 corvettes = 200
2 frigates = 400
1 light cruiser = 500
heavy damage to heavy cruiser = 600

10,642 approx Vong losses for DT through AoC: HT

500 Yuuzahn Vong killed approx invading Gydine (feirce resistance from ground defenders and four Jedi ground pilots)
72 fighters destroyed approx
1 frigate destroyed, 200.
2000 from other capship kills (large fleet action in space at the time)

8 killed by Kyp's dozen
30 killed by Kyp & Ganner & The dozen
12 killed by Kyp & Ganner & Randa

13,464 killed by end of AoC:JE

Current Yuuzhan Vong miltary losses grand total stands at: 47,115,364

Edit: I just remembered I forgot to account for fighter losses. I add up all the capital ships for the biggest battles and times-ed by an average of 36 coralskipper per ship (another low end estimate). That means the Vong have lost approx 631,521 figher pilots in the biggest battles of the war so far.

New revisted total: 47,746,912

 

2 corvettes = 200
2 frigates = 400
1 light cruiser = 500
heavy damage to heavy cruiser = 600

Actuals:

- Transports (Yorik-trema) == 4 Crew, 36 Passengers.
- Spy Ship [Asteroid; EoV] (Yorik-stronha) == 12 Crew, 12 Passengers.
- Corvettes == 110 Crew, 225 Passengers. No skips.
- Frigates == 225 Crew, 370 Passengers. No skips.
- Fighter Carrier (A-vek Iiluunu) == 320 Crew, 480 Passengers. 144 Coralskippers.
- Gunships [Light Light Cruisers] (Uumufalh) == 335 Crew, 840 Passengers. No skips.
- Light [Standard] Cruiser (Ban D'Krid) == 480 Crew, 1,930 Passengers. 36 Coralskippers.
- Freighters (Sh'pa Spawn) == 525 Crew, 2,044 Passengers.
- Interdictor (Vua'spar) == 638 Crew, 1,144 Passengers. 36 Coralskippers. Interdictor. [Tsavong Lah's Sunulok flagship is this type of vessel]
- Medium (Miid Ro'ik Warship) Cruiser == 1,280 Crew, 1,950 Passengers. 72 Coralskippers. Interdictors.
- Battleship (Uro'ik V'alh) == 1,640 Crew, 3,150 Passengers.
- Heavy (Kor Chokk Grand Cruiser) Cruiser == 2,140 Crew, 4,460 Passengers. 216 Coralskippers. 30 Transports.

 

Remember, these are approximations, so I rounded the numbers down so they'd be easier to work with. I also rounded down to insure that I didn't overestimate how many Vong have been killed. And there's no way I'm doing all that multiplying again, even with a calculator.

Approximate is the word of the day.

I'm suprised no one's commented on their fighter losses. Losing 600,000 fighter pilots is nothing to sneeze at.

 

I don't think 600,000 Skip pilots is a big loss to the Vong. The Yammosk seems to be the perfect fighting coordinator, and when it's knocked out the pilots skill just reachs untrained levels. Thus, I think any Vong could pilot a Coralskipper with Yammosk coordination.

 

47,746,912 + 1

47,746,913.

Forgot the Vong who got his head blown off by Jacen's speeder bike cannon.

More updates coming soon from the Battle of Duro through the Battle of Serpindel.

 

Battle of Duro:

Minimal Vong losses

Approx 350 Vong killed by The Skywalker family (300 from Luke killing a Vong gunship).

Estimated losses inflicted by Duro Defence Fleet 2,000 (mostly fighters, maybe a few corvettes).

36 fighters destroyed by Rogues and Vangaurd squadron at Karbala.

1,000 Yuuzhan Vong KIA during the evacuation of Kubaz (a few frigates and fighters) by Kyp Durron.

Total Vong losses for BP = 3,386.

Conquest:

Kyp Durron's supply raids, estimated at 5,000 (raids were going on for months against "soft" targets)

Vong Shaper based destroyed (through orbital bombardment, Anakin and Vua, and shamed one's purge). Estimated at 1,000 Yuuzhan Vong.

Two Vong destroyers- 3,200 KIA total.

Total Vong losses = 9,200

Rebirth-

Crew of Vong spy ship 7 KIA
13 KIA from Nom Anor, Anakin on space station
3 Heavy cruisers at Serpindel total = 3,600
Construction crew of Worldship 10,000 (big as a death star)
Crew of "Wampa" 1,000 Yuuzhan Vong KIA
144 fighters by Rouges and Dozen.
36 fighters destroyed by Falcon and Co. +4 Vong killed on Falcon by Jacen and Noghiri.

Approximate KIA = 14,804

Total losses for "small battles" for BP through RB = 27,390

and addition 750 passengers for all Vong capital ships destroyed in "large battles" due to the number of troops, pilots, and support crew raises an additional 21,248,250 Vong KIA

New casualties total, 21,275,640


past total: 47,746,912

New Total Vong KIA - 69,022,552

 

UPDATE:

After careful consideration I decided to up the death totals for the Shamed Ones from 10m to 25m (the death of the ENTIRE POOR POP OF SHAMED ONES AND WORKERS is what Shimrra described), and the losses for the invasion of Coruscant from 50,000 additional losses taking the planet to at least 10m (on top of the 50,000. It would literally be IMPOSSILBE to take the planet in a ground invasion without suffering those kind of losses. Coruscant had a TRILLION people living on it. I don't care how many Chazrach you throw at, with numbers that great, to get ANY kind of surface control like what we see in Destiny's Way and Traitor, you'd need a MASSIVE occupation force. Even if it took 10 unarmed civilians to kill 1 Vong, well, you do the math this time. So I'm uping the count again to 10m.

so that's an additional 25m dead Vong, may they rest in peices.

Total Vong appoximate losses stand at 715

Look for the small battles in Star By Star Through Borelis tommorow. Hopefully a rough list of total Vong casualties will be done in a week.

Approx total Vong military losses m
Approx total Vong civilian losses 25m

After a get a rough Vong total done, I'll start on the New Republic military losses. While the New Republic/Galactic Alliance/Imperial Remnant/Hapes/Chiss/Jedi forces have more than held their own against the Vong, the GFFA civlian losses are going to be absurdly high I'm afraid.

EDIT: opps made a booboo, hang on a sec.

 

Edits aren't working for some reason:

Total combined Vong losses stand at:

94,022,552

Civilian losses:

25,000,000

Military losses:

69,022,552

 

None of that equals even half of any average New Rep planet's decimated population!

 

Nope.

As I said, the Galaxy's Military and Jedi are more than able to hold their own against the Vong, but the civilian casualties are catostrophic in comparison.

 

Like Faraday said, the estimates for Republic civilian casualties is anywhere from tens to thousands of billions. I'm saving this for last because it's going to be an absolute dog's momma to find ANY kind of reasonable guesstimate.

The first addition to the New Republic civilian casualties is this...

60 billion lost at Coruscant.

As for the New Republic military, causalties for Vector Prime were approximatly 40,000 due to the Imperial II class star destroyer, 3 ranger gunships, and several other cruisers and fighter losses. Not very good for their first engagement, but they do get much better.

In Darktide, the combined losses of the Rogues, Toughs and Savages were 24, equal to that of the coralskippers. The roges also lost 2 more pilots in a small skirmish with 6 coralskippers (forgot about that, I'll add them to the Vong mil list later). Another 25 (half) Republic ground soldier die at Dantooine. Total deaths for OT:

51

Total Republic military losses 40,051.

 

You spelled forum wrongly in the title.

 

Wooooowww!

Thanks for the advice!