Luke Skywalker's Apprentices

I know VERY little about the expanded universe. [I've read lots of the old SW Marvel Comics, though.]

I just wanted to know, as far as people in here know, who was Luke's FIRST apprentice once Master Yoda declared him a Jedi?

If the answer is Leia, then, please tell me who his first few apprentices were. Who was his first non-relative apprentice?

I am also curious to know who, of his apprentices, became full-fledged Jedi Knights. Masters?

Who of them died? Who of them fell to the Dark Side?

I am always happy to learn new things about the Star Wars universe & these questions popped into my mind recently.

Any help / information would be greatly appreciated.

May the Force be with us.

Jay Tee Erricck
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Hmmm. Gang, was Kam Solusar technically Luke's first apprentice?

Either way, JayTee, you really should pick up Dark Empire and The Jedi Academy Trilogy or I, Jedi which summarizes the JAT with more a organized, literate, and well told side tale. Those three sources answer all of your questions and are all pretty seminal reads if you want to go further into the post ROTJ era.

 

Luke being the only jedi Left taught at a Praxum(Acadamy). Multiple students 1 teacher.

Kyp (blows up suns) Duron, Gantoriss (1st to die), Cigil, Streen, a Dathmori force witch Kirana ti, Tionee, and a few others started.

Some became Masters, Kyp turned and survived, Gantoriss not so much.

Kruller, went dark died (But still not a true apprentice) same with Brakiss.


His first "True Aprentices" were Jacen and Anakin Solo. 2 cases of not having familial masters trainging familial padwans if there ever was one. Anakin was leathaly wounded on a reckless oneway-eque mission. He died heroicly.

Jacen rose to be the hero of the Vong war, Sired a daughter with his teen sweethart, had a nervious breakdown, went dark, became a sith, for no apperant reason. And basicly committed suicide by Jedi. He certainly acted like he was not serious in his attempt to be the next galactic ruler.

posterchild for the results of undiagnosed, untreated PTSD.

 

The Wook has the following list of Luke's "known apprentices":

* Leia Organa Solo
* Kiro
* Jem Ysanna
* Rayf Ysanna
* Kam Solusar
* Gantoris
* Streen
* Brakiss
* Desann
* Havet Storm
* Corran Horn
* Tionne Solusar
* Kyle Katarn
* Madurrin
* Kirana Ti
* Kyp Durron
* Dorsk 81
* Cilghal
* Mara Jade Skywalker
* Jacen Solo
* Anakin Solo
* Finn Galfridian
* Ben Skywalker
* X2

I think, chronologically, X2 and Kiro predate even Kam Solusar.

 

Going strictly by comics and novels I'd say Leia is technically Luke's first apprentice, despite her lack of dedication to her training and lack of active duty status as a Jedi until basically 40 ABY. She is said to have been fully trained in Dark Empire...

After Leia is Kam Solusar, then Jem and Rayf Ysanna(neither of which lived very long), and then the first class of the Yavin IV Praxeum.

Perhaps I'm missing someone from the Marvel era, I'm not real familiar with those comics.

 

Didn't Luke refuse to be Kiro's master?

 

Finally got to read Duel With A Dark Lady (after getting the Luke/Lumiya comic figure pack), and I can confirm he did. However, while Kiro was in the process of rescuing Luke, our favorite farmboy finally broke down and agreed.

Only Marvel issue I've managed to snag yet, so afterwards I'm fuzzy.

 

Maybe a little off topic....but who was the first (after Luke) of the New Jedi to take on an apprentice? The Earliest I can think of might be Mara calling Jaina her apprentice in Vector Prime.

 

Jedi Academy gives us Horn taking Raltharan as an apprentice, while Katarn takes Korr and Penin as his apprentices. And that's set not long after JAT.

 

Was Ken ever declared Luke's apprentice? It's been a very long time since I read GoDV, but I remember him following Luke and co. around, and performing a Jedi mind trick to a cab driver on Bespin.

If he does qualify, he'd be one of Luke's early ones.

 

These books don't count.

 

Initially, yes. But, "Kiro's actions against the Nagai as well as his rescue of Skywalker from Lumiya's clutches convinced Skywalker to train Kiro in the Force, making the Iskalonian his first official apprentice." (thus spaketh the Wook).

For me, I think there either has to be 1) a common understanding shared between Master and Apprentice or 2) clear intent by the Master to train the unwitting/unwilling Apprentice before one can really consider it an actual apprenticeship. So, in my mind, while Luke may have wanted to train Leia and while she might have picked up stuff here and there, she was never fully a Jedi-in-training until well after the Jedi Academy series, which would place her after Kiro and X2 in Luke's "lineage".

 

Thank you everyone, very kindly, for all your info & responses.

It will take some time for me to wrap my head around it all.

Kyp Durron I've heard of. Vaguely.

I figured Mara Jade would be listed as his apprentice. And the Solo kids.

It always saddens me to hear that Jedi have fallen to the Dark Side.

I remember Kiro. He was the fish-like humanoid species. Survived out of water by walking around with a water tank over his head. Good times. Good memories from the Marvel comics. I should get to re-reading them!

I'm sure I'll have more questions later as I research the names you all listed (via Wookieepedia) but I guess what I was trying to get at was this:

Thanks to the Star Wars: Legacy comic books (The adventures of Cade & company), we know that the Jedi Order survives AT LEAST until that era, about 100 years after Return of the Jedi. Who were the Jedi that studied under Luke that helped to keep the Jedi Order alive, learning & growing? Which of Luke's students became Knights, then Masters & continued to keep the Jedi Order alive?

May the Force be with us.
Jay Tee Erricck

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Hmm... well, Kyle Katarn was Rosh and Jaden's master, and he also had Mara in a sort of unofficial capacity earlier than that, I think.

 

Yes they do.

 

I think Dev Sibwarra (from Truce at Bakura) should get an honorary mention...

 

The very first person Luke "thought" about training was Dev Sibwarra, who he met during "Truce at Bakura". Of course, Dev died, so that never worked out.

From the Marvel comics, which you've read, lots of people came to Luke wanting to be trained. Vila, Flint, Dracos, etc. He turned them all down because "The potential for abuse?if any of you turned out to have talent and learned anything without learning everything?is staggering. And I don't want to be responsible for that." (from Star Wars 92: The Dream) Of course, he later changed his mind, as evidenced by Kiro. In Star Wars 96: Duel with a Dark Lady, "Kiro. I?I want you to know?I still don't know if I'm good enough to be a teacher. But if you want?I'll train you in the ways of the Jedi, as best I can. You deserve that." Of course, Kiro "died" shortly after, so that never worked out.

Luke met a bunch of other Force-sensitive people in the intervening years, Ken (Palpatine) (GoDV), Isolder (CoPL), etc. He taught them weird little tricks, but they weren't really his "apprentices" per se.

The first real master/apprentice work for him was in "Dark Empire". He had about three students at the time, Kam Solusar, Jem Ysanna, and Rayf Ysanna. Of course, Jem and Rayf died, so that just leaves Kam.

After this very bad track record, Luke decides to set up a Jedi Academy to train several different apprentices as seen in the "Jedi Academy Trilogy". These are the people who start the New Jedi Order, or that is, they go on to train apprentices of their own. There were initially twelve students, but we don't know all twelve of them.

1. Kam Solusar - From "Dark Empire", he marries Tionne, and he surely trained apprentices after completing his training.
2. Brakiss - An Imperial spy. Dropped out of the Academy and went rogue. Now dead.
3. Corran Horn - Rogue Squadron pilot. His kids are now Jedi.
4. Gantoris - Fell to the dark side. Now dead.
5. Streen - Super old guy. Doesn't do much.
6. Dorsk 81 - Killed during a battle with Imperials (Darksaber)
7. Kirana Ti - From Dathomir. She trained several apprentices.
8. Tionne Solusar - Married Kam, continued to teach alongside Luke at the Academy.
9. Madurrin - Not much is known about her. Revealed just recently.
10. Kyle Katarn - Trained several different students, mostly in the video games.

After this group, Mara Jade and Kyp Durron show up to also join the Academy. They both become Jedi who train apprentices lat

 

Cull, you forgot to include Havet Storm.

 

Yeah, but then we're just getting into details. I could've mentioned Dal Konur too, or other Rebel Jedi like Corwin Shelvay, who trained "apprentices".

 

Luke mentored Leia for a bit post-RotJ, and even taught her how to build her first lightsaber in TTT. By DE she knew at least the basics of the Force thanks to Luke. But I agree that Kam was Luke's first real, full-time apprentice.

 

By Dark Empire Leia is considered a full blown Jedi Knight, in the text of the story. She just doesn't act like it after that series until DNT. I don't think most authors throughout Bantam and then the NJO had the nerve to really make Leia a Jedi. It was easier to keep her a politician, when she could have been both technically. I'm still unclear as to why there's an either or option with Leia's fields of expertise.

Being as Leia is also the Force prodigy offspring of Anakin Skywalker I think it stands to reason that she became just as proficient as Luke in the ways of the Force and the Jedi Arts in an equally brief time period. Stang, Luke had what a couple weeks with Kenobi, then 3 years of fiddling with his lightsaber and the Force on his lonesome, then maybe a few months with Yoda on Dagobah? After that he's got about a year from leaving Dagobah to returning after rescuing Han and he's told he already knows everything that he needs and his only task is to face the OT equivalent of the Jedi trials. Leia surely trained with Luke between the period of COPL and the beginning of HTTE even if it was sporatically. She would have picked up a great deal from Luke in that time, even just from proximity to Luke's Jedi stuff. Those Skywalkers have inborn talent and an uncanny ability to pick things up on the fly. So by Dark Empire Leia is trained up to Jedi Knight levels, faces her version of the trials in the form of helping her brother back from the brink of the dark side and being in thrall to the clone of Palpatine and helping him nix Palpatine. That's just DEI. Everything she does in DEII and EE are Jedi related more than they are politics related. She's a Jedi Knight in that series, without a doubt. It's just after that she acts exclusively as apolitician. She's still, to my mind, Luke's first fully trained apprentice. Even if she didn't spend as much time on her training as Kam did.

I'm not even sure how much training Kam actually needed, other than to pledge himself to Luke out of a sense of penance for his time as one of Palpatine's dark Jedi. He was obviously fully trained by Ranick Solusar more so than any training he got from Luke. He probably contrinbuted more to Luke's knowledge of the old Jedi Order and their specific things than Luke contributed to Kam's own knowledge of the Force or the Jedi Arts. Stang, Kam didn't even really train at the Praxeum as much as he seemed to be Luke's assistant teacher.

 

I agree about Kam. He already had a good grasp on what he was doing. He just needed a refresher course so to speak.

 

Hey, just 'cause your Apprentice "dies" don't mean you weren't his Master. And, the original question was "who was Luke's FIRST apprentice once Master Yoda declared him a Jedi?", not "who was Luke's FIRST apprentice who lived a long, full life even if they might have already had previous training or an innate Force-ability to pick things up on the quick?" Even X2 had some previous training/experience. My answer remains Kiro of Iskalon!

 

I'd argue it really was Leia. Luke was giving her one-on-one training and lessons on what looked to be a weekly basis. It wasn't an intense apprenticeship, but I'd argue an apprenticeship it was. If Obi-Wan can be Luke's first Master for telling him what the Force is and giving him remote training, Luke's one-on-one, prolonged, substantial training of Leia definitely counts.

Kam was basically a finished product; he followed Luke, but was more disciple than apprentice, tagging along but not really taking training. So if you're not counting Leia, then I think Rayf and Jem are the ones to go to -- but they're still a case of minor tricks, like Mara and Ken. No real meat to it.

If the standard is going to be traditional OJO levels of training and interaction, I think we have to go to the first class of the Praxeum, though if you throw in the committed one-on-one (or close enough, just not whole classes of twelve people) caveat, it comes all the way down to Jacen and Anakin. Possibly Mara, depending on how much intensive training he did with her (heh, heh) in the little-documented period between their marriage and SQ.

 

Actually going by the novel "I,Jedi", where a good deal of the Jedi Academy trilogy is told through the first person point of view of Corran Horn, Kam is basically a teachers assistant. Luke puts him in charge of a good deal of the lessons(like Lightsaber training) at the begining of the academy.