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Luke's Lightsaber form?

Discussion in 'Classic Trilogy' started by Darth_OXman, May 6, 2005.

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  1. Darth_OXman

    Darth_OXman Jedi Youngling

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    When Yoda was training Luke in ESB, which form do you think he taught him? Did he let Luke pick, did he just work with what Luke used naturally, or did he mold Luke's style to specifically counter Vader? Yoda and especially Obi would know what the weaknesses of Anakin's form were. Just some idle curiosity while waiting for the movie...
     
  2. renegadesith

    renegadesith Jedi Youngling star 1

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    I guess it would be safe to say that he learned Obi-wan's technique. I can't see Luke jumping around like Yoda did in AOTC.

     
  3. Master_Starwalker

    Master_Starwalker Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    I don't think Luke learned any specific "form" and I'd guess he learned a mix of them all if you use any specifc EU form.
     
  4. Matt-trooper

    Matt-trooper Jedi Youngling star 3

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    Block, hack and slash
     
  5. T16Skyhopper

    T16Skyhopper Jedi Youngling star 2

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    Yeah, Luke's training is really...grassroots compared to the Jedi of the Old Republic. I doubt Obi-Wan and Yoda even considered a single technique, instead just instructed Luke in whatever form(s) was best to combat Vader.

    Remember, Jedi of the Old Republic were used to using their lightsabers against blasters, not other lightsabers. So most of those techniques would be a bit useless.
     
  6. Darth_Seer

    Darth_Seer Jedi Youngling star 2

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    Its an eclectic mix of various forms, and it surely changes over the years. It resembles Form V in ROTJ, and there are elements of II, IV, and VII later on.
     
  7. Beyond_the_Stars

    Beyond_the_Stars Jedi Youngling star 1

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    Judging by his combat on Jabba's Sail-Barge, I would best describe it as the unorthodox "Swing around until you hit something" style.
     
  8. TwiLekJedi

    TwiLekJedi Pretty Ex-Mod star 10 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Form 9: Baseball ;)
    Or, to make it sound like SW lingo: Blalesab. Sounds similar enough to Soresu :p
     
  9. Yazid_Skywalker

    Yazid_Skywalker Jedi Padawan star 4

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    he learned the basis of basics. block , slash and dodge. oh ya, and pray the red light doesnt cut off anythin... :p
     
  10. Whiney_Farmboy

    Whiney_Farmboy Jedi Master

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    "A" button slashes, "B" button hacks, "C" button blocks

    --Swing offscreen to reload--
     
  11. neo-dragon

    neo-dragon Jedi Master star 3

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    Anyone ever wonder if Yoda actually sparred with Luke? I mean, he couldn't have expected him to duel Vader when he'd never even crossed lightsabers with an opponent before, right?
     
  12. Atticus

    Atticus Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Judging by his combat on Jabba's Sail-Barge, I would best describe it as the unorthodox "Swing around until you hit something" style.

    [face_laugh] LOL, how true.
     
  13. Saberwielder315

    Saberwielder315 Jedi Padawan star 4

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    At the same time, I can see a resemblence to Anakin's fighting style in Lukes.
     
  14. Adm_Thrawn

    Adm_Thrawn Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Form V.

    Also used by Anakin Skywalker.

    Favors heavy, overpowering blows.
     
  15. RurouniKJS

    RurouniKJS Jedi Youngling star 2

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    A combo of Form I (the basics of swordplay, used chiefly in ESB), Form III (blaster fire deflection and defensive technique, seen in ROTJ) and Form V (heavy or fast blows, used in Luke's final victory).

    IMO.
     
  16. TwiLekJedi

    TwiLekJedi Pretty Ex-Mod star 10 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    While we're at it and because I don't post in Lit... anybody got a list anywhere what all forms do and who uses them? Quest? ;)
     
  17. Aiwendil

    Aiwendil Jedi Youngling star 1

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    Did Yoda even teach Luke lightsaber combat at all? We certainly never see him do so. In ESB, all his references to weapons or to combat are quite negative.
     
  18. TwiLekJedi

    TwiLekJedi Pretty Ex-Mod star 10 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    I think it's in the novel that he trains with remotes and objects Yoda throws at him
     
  19. Jedi_Aero-Stone

    Jedi_Aero-Stone Jedi Youngling

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    I see elements of all forms, but like any good fighter with a fighters instinct...Form V takes over once weakness in ones opponent is sensed... plus.. the adage..."like father, like son". ;)
     
  20. -HD-YaebGinn

    -HD-YaebGinn Jedi Youngling star 3

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    aye, I browse the lit forum on occasion and saw one of a few threads on saber forms. lemme cut/copy the list.

    Form I - A 'training form'. Quite basic, and something of a foundation for every other style, but deceptively simple--a true master would be able to trick an opponent who looks down on the style with relative ease.

    Form II - Essentially, lightsaber fencing--thrust, parry, riposte--whereas all the others are some type of swordsmanship, utilizing slashing and cutting. Elegant and efficient. Not as good against ranged weaponry, but nigh-unbeatable against another lightsaber. The favored form of Count Dooku, who could beat anyone but Yoda with it in practice.

    Form III - Originally started as an anti-blaster style as the weapons came into prominence. Eventually developed into the supreme defensive style--a practitioner might never win, but a true master would be invincible. A lot of the Jedi who survived the Clone Wars only did so because they were well-versed in this style. My Additional Interpretation: As I understand it, victory in Form III without alternating into another Form's offensive maneuvers requires waiting out your opponent, getting him impatient and frustrated so he does something stupid, and then you stike. Obi-Wan's favored style, post-TPM.

    Form IV - High-energy, rapid attacks, lots of movement. Practitioners of Form IV use acrobatic maneuvers and complex footwork to outmaneuver and overwhelm an opponent from multiple angles. Yoda's and Qui-Gon Jinn's style. Obi-Wan favored this style as well, until he saw its weakneses when Darth Maul held off both him and Qui-Gon, at which point he switched to Form III.

    Form V - Similar to Form IIO in the anti-blasterfire department. However, whereas Form III became defensive, Form V focused on offense and counterattacks, including reflecting blaster fire back at its point of origin. Practioners skirt the Dark Side due to the aggressive basis of the style. This form is favored by Anakin Skywalker.

    Form VI - Taking points from Forms I, III, IV, and V, this "diplomat's style" is less of a true Form of its own than a way for less combat-focused Jedi to have a well-rounded education in using the lightsaber. My Addtional Interpretation: Practitioners also learn to use body language and short, soothing words, phrases, and sounds to use in battle as an additioanl way of perhaps talking an opponent out of a fight after weapons have been drawn. Supposedly, no practitioner of Form VI survives the Clone Wars without switching to another style as their primary.

    Form VII - Possibly the most advanced and deadly style. Still in development as of the Clone Wars, there is perhaps one master of the Form, Mace Windu. Form VII in use appears random, with strikes and blocks sometimes seeming like basic, uneducated flailing, coming in no discernible pattern. Form VII is as much a philosophy as a style of battle, students learning difficult concepts such as paradox and potentially coming close to the Dark Side. The style calls upon the Force to directly and instinctively direct strokes and parries, rather than a set of practiced offensive and defensive maneuvers allowing for more accuracy and explaining the seeming randomness described above.

     
  21. GrandAdmiralJello

    GrandAdmiralJello Comms Admin ❉ Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque star 10 Staff Member Administrator

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    Incidentally, if we're going to discuss EU, I'm obligated to point out that all forms are merely training regiments and that any Jedi can mix and match styles at will. No one has to stick to any form--they just generally do because it's easier to master a particular school of fighting.

    Both V and VII have basic and advanced forms. For instance, VII has the basic from Juyo--which is difficult to learn and has much of the characteristics of Sith fighting. Maul favors this--and presumably Palpatine is a master, since he taught Maul. Vaapad is a more advanced set of manuevers--as well as a rather odd meditative state invented by Mace Windu--that adds to Juyo.

    Similarly, the basic V deals with kinetic attacks and brute force. It's called Shien, and it's what Anakin Skywalker uses in AOTC. Presumably, it's what Luke uses in ROTJ after aping Vader's style. His initial training is just general swordfighting: there was no time to learn ritualized forms. Djem So is a deadlier refinement of Shien, and it's what Darth Vader uses.
     
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