Mace Windu - the Jedi traitor theory

Alot of people speculated before the movie that Mace Windu is a Jedi traitor. Now that I have seen the Revenge of the Sith, I believe it's possible that it was Mace Windu who were the Sith lord, not Count Dooku. I really am serious with this. I want to know if anyone else have thought this.

Anyway, here's a few points to think about:

1. Anakin didn't became Darth Vader even though he killed Count Dooku. What about the rule of two? This proves Count Dooku wasn't the Sith Lord.

2. Mace Windu didn't want Anakin to come with him when he went to arrest Palpatine. His plan was to kill Palpatine and take Anakin his apprentice.

3. Mace Windu lead his fellow Jedi to death without any effort to prevent it. He wanted them dead so he could face Sidious. alone.

4. Mace Windu was determined to execute Palpatine while he was helpless. Would a Jedi kill someone that helpless in cold blood? No, but a Sith Lord would. So he could be master.

5. Anakin became Darth Vader immediately he killed Mace Windu. He killed the Sith lord to become one himself: the rule of two.

It seems the moderators don't like alternative theories. Well, I admit maybe my post might have been too straight forward last time.

 

Ehm,no.Your point is that when you kill a Sith Lord you become one,but in episode I,Obi-Wan killed Darth Maul who was a Sith Lord and he didnt became one.

 

i am going to have to disagree with you on this, sith lords are trained to use the dark side of the force, and clearly sidious knows it. mace windu may have knowledge of the dark side, but does not show it. i believe he is not a sith.

 

I think you are crazy for thinking this. Then again we all take away from star wars what we will. This is what i think to your post in order.

1. I am not sure what the application to being a sith lord is but I felt that time to escape a doomed ship was a factor here. I am under the impression that there can never be more than two. I would think that there could be one at any given time but in terms of overall numbers there can be only two at one time. This rule, if true, was never broken.

2. If his intentions are to kill Palpatine himself then take Anakin. Not three other jedi, one of whom is a master and on the jedi council.

3. I am not sure which even you are talking about here.

4. If this was his intention then why would he waste time talking about it and not just kill Palp? Palpatine did control the senate and the courts so saving him would not have been wise. Although this is the best arguement you have out of all of these points.

5. Anakin only became A Sith after he pleged himself to the dark lord. This is the point of the whole scene, you can't be forced to the dark side, i would think that you would have to submit yourself to the dark side in order to be turned.

 

Maranello Jori:

It was different when Obi-Wan killed Maul. That was self defence. Besides, what proof we have that Darth Maul was the Sith lord in the first place? Maybe it was Mace Windu all the time. Remember: he was the one who didn't want Anakin to be trained. Maybe he wasn't the Sith Lord then but he became one because he was the one who gave the order to "deal with" the dark warrior. He was just using Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon for his plan. And he got Qui-Gon killed.

Electrum 538:

3. I mean when Mace Windu takes 3 of his fellow Jedi with him when he goes for Palpatine. He wants the Jedi dead. So he takes them to Palpatine knowing they don't have the chance. Knowing they would all die. And it wasn't the first time. Remember the attack of the clones.

 

Remember: he was the one who didn't want
Anakin to be trained.

It wasn't Mace Windu that did this. it was the will of the council. Mace does not speak for the council. That is why the chairs and room is in circular form. It is remenisent of the Knights of the Round table. No one person has authority over the other. However there are memebers that are more looked up to because of thier actions and time in the council. When mace doesn't want anakin to be trained it is because it is the will of all the council memebers.

3. I mean when Mace Windu takes 3 of his fellow Jedi with him when he goes
for Palpatine. He wants the Jedi dead. So he takes them to Palpatine knowing
they don't have the chance.

And how would he know this? He has never faced a Sith lord before. None of the jedi have been around long enough to remember the wars with the sith. Ki Adi Mundi states in TPM they have been extinct for over a millenium. I am under the impression that when going out on missions for the jedi order there are usually two that go. If this is true then 4 jedi masters should be more than enough to take care of just one person shouldn't it? Ok maybe not!

 

Your "theory" is off-base and extremely far-fetched. You're overlooking a majority of the story to pull this sort of conclusion.

 

Did I see the same movie this guy did?

 

Don't you think it seems out of character for him to execute a helpless old man if he were a good guy?

He seemed to behave as aggressively with Jango Fett also. It would have been more useful to the Jedi to capture him alive. Mace Windu killed him because he knew too much.

This is not a new theory. As I said, it has been debated alot after the attack of the clones:

mace windu is the jedi traitor. proof here!

You can't ignore all points homeless_jedi has there.

 

no because hes the evil sith lord Windu knew what was comeing if he had let him live.

 

The only traitors are Dooku and Anakin.

 

Isn't it probable that as a Jedi Master and leading member of the Council that Mace Windu would know that the Emperor was not as weak as he was trying to make out. That he would have the ablility to use the "lightning" powers Dooku used against Yoda and Obi Wan in AOTC.
Also, isn't it possible that Syfo Dyas is Darth Plagius
(sorry if it is spelled incorrectly).
It is plausible that Syfo Dyas was in fact a Sith Lord and that he "clouded" the Jedi's Vision and began training Senator Palpatine who then killed him and took Darth Maul as his apprentice. We know the rest of story from then on.

Why would Sidious make the remark to Greivous that he has a much younger apprentice after the Death of Dooku if he was talking about Mace Windu, who isn't not really that much younger than Dooku at all.

 

Actually, the Sifo-Dyas Mystery has been solved. It's Count Dooku. Read Labyrinth of Evil to know how and why.

 

1. Anakin didn't became Darth Vader even though he killed Count Dooku. What about the rule of two? This proves Count Dooku wasn't the Sith Lord.
I hate to say it but you're way off base here. First off, the rule of two dosn't mean that if you kill the sith lord you become the sith lord. The rule of two means that if the apprentice dies then the master takes a new apprentice (not necessarily the one who kill the apprentice). Also if the master dies the apprentice becomes master and he takes an apprentice.
3. Mace Windu lead his fellow Jedi to death without any effort to prevent it. He wanted them dead so he could face Sidious. alone.
WHAT?! What was he supposed to do hold their hand and tell them what to do? They're masters they should be able to hold their own against anybody even THE sith lord.
4. Mace Windu was determined to execute Palpatine while he was helpless. Would a Jedi kill someone that helpless in cold blood? No, but a Sith Lord would. So he could be master.
He explained that himself in the movie. He knew that if Palpatine was arrested he would be found not guilty because of his influence over the senate.

 

would love to believe it !! never really liked Mace Windu far too condecending for a Jedi Master IMO

and SLJ was arrogant to demand a purple lightsaber

 

Besides, what proof we have that Darth Maul was the Sith lord in the first place? Maybe it was Mace Windu all the time.

Umm maybe countless lines of dialogue from the Sith master calling him his apprentice?

 

THIS IS PART FAR ONE of the ridiculous threads i have ever seen. GO INTO THE REVENGE OF THE SITH spoiler forum and you'll find something as ridiculous as this thread called. "Dark confessions of jedi master mace windu"

but this is even more ridiculous. i am sry for the person who posted this topic but it makes no sense and what proof do you have.

 

It was different when Obi-Wan killed Maul. That was self defence. Besides, what proof we have that Darth Maul was the Sith lord in the first place? Maybe it was Mace Windu all the time. Remember: he was the one who didn't want Anakin to be trained. Maybe he wasn't the Sith Lord then but he became one because he was the one who gave the order to "deal with" the dark warrior. He was just using Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon for his plan. And he got Qui-Gon killed.




This is kiddish, i cant believe what i am hearing what kind of logic is this.
1. Your saying mace was darth maul practically, when in the movie it says that darth maul is a sith lord and it is comfirmed.

 

We crushed homeless_jedi's bad logic, now we have to do it again after EPIII. Oh well, here goes.

1. That doesn't make any sense. As other's have said, Kenobi killed Maul without becoming a Sith Lord. To take it a step further, how do you think the Jedi "drove the Sith into extinction" a milennia ago if they couldn't kill one without turning into Sith themselves? that just doesn't make any sense.

Further, Mace's actions were just as much in self-defense as were Obi-wan's. This should be pretty obvious from the fact that immediately after failing to kill Palpatine, Palpatine killed him instead. Take into account that three other Jedi Masters had just been slaughtered, and that Mace had spent the last several minutes fighting for his life, and you'll have to concede how ridiculous this assertion is. As a side note, we should also keep in mind that just a few hours later (or days, at most) Obi-wan and Yoda planned the assassination strikes of both Sith lords. That's attack with intent to kill, mind you. Further, Yoda does the same thing again later in the trilogy, insisting Luke has to kill Vader. And obviously they weren't Sith, so you can't say Mace isn't a Jedi for doing the exact same thing (in fact, he was trying to arrest Palpatine up until just seconds before he decided to try and kill him, so there was even less pre-meditation on his part than on the part of Yoda and Kenobi).

Finally, we know that becoming a Sith has nothing ot do with killing the old apprentice. Dooku became a Sith without ever killing Maul.

3. This doesn't make any sense. Were he really the Sith apprentice, he would have known about Order 66, and wouldn't have to resort to such a stupid plan for killing the other Jedi. That besides, your connection is very specious. If he wanted to face Sidious alone, he easily could've done so. It's caleld just not taking the other Jedi with you in the first place.

4. He wasn't helpless. He had faultered, in the heat of the battle. At which point the Jedi have killed dozens of their enemies before. And as mentioned above, given that we see Yoda twice plan the assassination of the Sith, I don't think Mace killing the Sith Master in the heat of the moment can be considered evidence that he's "not a Jedi."

5. Actually he didn't. First off, he didn't kill Mace--he cut his arm off. He then stood there half-sobbing while looking confused while Palpatine electrecuted Mace and threw him out of the window. More to the point, Palpatine then talked to him a bit more, and then Anakin pledges himself to becoming a Sith lord. It's also important that he was taking up an offer Palpatine had made to him much earlier that day, before Mace had even been involved. If the proposal to become a Sith was issued long before Mace was a part of events, then obviously killing Mace was not a prerequisite to becoming a Sith. And therefore, even by your logic, Mace could not have been the Sith apprentice.

 

::twitch:: sorry man i think ROTS debunked this theory pretty obviously..

 

This has nothing to do with anything, but when Mace is holding his light saber above the emporer his face looks almost exactly like Anakin's when he is holding his saber above Dooku's head in the beginning.

 

You mean the concentrated, "I'm defeating a Sith Lord" look? Yeah, so?

It has nothing to do with their Force alignment, if that's what you're implying.

 

This thread makes my head hurt.

 

no way! mace windu had to kill darth sidious because he was so powerful, he couldn't arrest someone like that! think about it!

 

Oh my God, this bullcrap again????

I thought this died with 3SA like... a year ago! Geez.

What a dumb theory, my suggestions:

A) Watch the movie again, in fact, watch the whole trilogy back to back like twenty times.

B) Force yourself away from dumb theories like this, and oh, by the way, Palpatine is NOT a clone... *sigh*

C) Stop Posting Crappy Threads

Follow those instructions and you'll be fine. Now, move along. Move along.