Mandalorian females?

I never understood the abscence of mandalorian females in the KOTOR series and comics. How did they reproduce for a starter?
I dont think mandalorians are a sexist race, they followed revan (who can potentially be female in KOTOR 1) and in the second game Mandalore follows Exile's leadership as well (who is a female canon wise). The exile also helps the mandalorians at the camp and is revered amongst them once she's completed all her tasks.
Mandalorians are all about honor and respect, I doubt they would judge someone based on their gender. They judged based on the honor and warrior nature of another individual.
Even at the mandalorian camp in KOTOR 2 there are no women...and it's a large outpost for them. They are called a warrior, barbaric like PEOPLE who revere battle after all. I doubt this would be any different for the women of the species, people refers to the entire race.
*SPOILER*
I know mira was trained as a mandalorian recruit, which shows they dont really care about gender.
Maybe the KOTOR creators were just too lazy to make a female model for them. Even if your female in the first game and you equip the mandalorian armor to get into taris lower city, your walk all of a sudden turns into the "Male" walk and you run like a male as well. I thought all armors in the game were unisex. Meh who knows.

 

Mandalorians aren't a race, they are a culture.

And secondly, you would not expect to see many women amongst frontline troops - they'd be in support roles (in starships or on occupied planets) or back on Mandalore.

Lastly, Mandos don't need women. Just ask Goran Beviin.

 

Sorry, I meant culture not species.

And no, they werent used as supportive roles. I just found this on wookieepedia actually.

"Mandalorian women were expected to have the same combat skills as men, in order to defend their homes when the men were away. If they didn't have children to raise, they fought alongside men on the battlefield. The ideal Mandalorian woman was physically strong and resilient. "

- They were just as strong and resilient, and all children were raised in their early teens to become warriors. The only women who stayed back were mothers, but they were still expected to know how to fight. Interesting, this still doesnt explain their abscence in KOTOR though . If there is a KOTOR 3, i hope to see them there.

 

You mean these?

 

A kindred spirit. I never understood the law that says war is the exclusive domain of maledom. Hmm, must be the utter thickness of thinking these days. But no use complaining, this is SW, and SW movies have pretty women for heroic icons, not villainesses. No use complaining this, say, to the Malazan world, where women would break you in half if you tried raping them. All fine for a cockpit seat, but sadow forbid they get up and dirty.

Almost no vong fems
Almost no sith fems
Almost no Mandie fems

I'm seeing a pattern here. Okay, milords, we get the idea. We don't equality women here.

 

Sexist how, though? Sexist for insisting that men and women are different, or sexist for insisting that they're the same?

First, it's "sex", not "gender". The former refers to the differences between the sexes, the latter to distinctions in grammar. Secondly (to bring in a real-world example), I could be wrong but I rather doubt the devotion of the French soldier to Joan of Arc as a warleader had much relation to how he viewed women in general and what roles they should be allowed to assume under normal circumstances.

All except that one, obviously.

First 3 million Clone Troopers, then Goran Beviin. Funny, the sort of things Karen seems to think are reasonable, eh?

I never understood the law that says you fall back to earth after jumping away from it.

Ah, there's a good man.

 

It's not sexism.

Women just have the good sense not to become Mandolorian scum.

Spoiler: It looks like Jaina is going over to the "dark side", however.

 

Oh? Then where are all the little Mandalorian scum coming from?

 

A) They spawn like the Uruk Hai from Lord of the Rings.
B) That other nifty attachment on Boba's armor is actually an advanced technological womb w/egg.
C) Traviss said, "Let there be Mandolorians," and it was so.


Seriously, Mandolorians adopt, so having female Mandolorians really isn't necessary.

 

Seriously, adoption is a less-than-optimal means of population replacement, so Mandalorian females are necessary.

 

Vhonte Tervho, Isabet Reau, Rav Bralor, the girl from this picture, and that girl from Flashpoint who doesn't have a picture beg to differ.

Did I miss any, Q_M?

 

Due to a recent "outing" of a Mandolorian, you can never be too sure. They may simply be transvestites. They simply wear custom-made armor with... accessories.

Edit: I'm not hating on anyone, I'm just saying, anything's possible.

 

Rav's niece Parja, Briika Jeban, Dinua Jeban, Briila, Mirta Gev, Isko Talga, that obviously female Neo-Crusader in the background on Taris in KotOR #24...

 

The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence.

 

I figure the honest reason is 1) the same reason that apparently all humans in the galaxy look like one of a dozen standard models (i.e. ease of programming if all Mandos have the same code) and 2) our cultural bias (and whether or not it's for good reason is irrelevant to this issue) against assuming rank-and-file warriors will be women.

 

Why would good reasons be irrelevant, Becks?

 

Ah interesting. I've never seen these characters before. Another person posted a few more mandy females below your post. I guess this proves they do exist somewhere lol.

 

I think it's irrelevant because Mandalorian culture =/= modern Western culture on Earth so our biases (I use "our biases" loosely since they don't apply to everyone) shouldn't affect our interpretation of THEIR culture. They developed their ways in different situations than we have here. So whether the prevailing views of the modern West are right or wrong, they have nothing to do with Mandalore, except in the out-of-universe sense that Mandalorian culture is a fiction created by people mostly WITHIN our culture, so the writers, whether they agree or not with modern biases, are at least aware of them.

 

Not necessarily. The primary flaw with your reasoning here is, I think, that the context in which the Mandalorian "ways" were developed would not be arguably dissimilar to the experience of Earth humans. The fact of the matter is that it's simply a bad idea to put your women in harm's way, particularly if you happen to be a nomadic culture with no permanent home-base.

 

I agree with beccatoria, this is being taken too literally. That would be like saying there clearly wasn't very much genetic variation in humans at the time of KOTOR because there were only a handful of faces in the game, and only a few voice actors. This is ridiculous. It would be like saying that Revan only encountered the same few species in his journey. This is also ridiculous. The games are telling the story to the best of their ability given the technology. Yes having each extra be their own unique individual would be really cool, but I doubt they could reasonably do that with current technology, so there's no way they could have done it back in 2003.

That's to say, the character models and voices are best interpreted as metaphors unless the character has a skin and voice completely unique in the game, like the party characters, or Dustil Onasi. So unless you actually hear a Mando in the game speak and it is clearly male, I think it is pretty safe to assume that the character is just your stock Mando, and could really be male or female.


Not toe mention LOTF and apparently True Colors, plus the Mando articel in Insider have more than proved that there are Mando women, and even explained their role in the culture.

 

How, exactly?

I think it's pretty safe to assume that the "stock Mando" is more likely than not going to be male, given the lack of a female model for the Mandalorian armour and the very small number of female Mandalorians seen in armour in the comics.

 

Umm... Because people are a lot more varied than that in real life.

My point is that the visuals in KOTOR are limited by the technology, and not to be taken that literally. Unless you thing Jon just happens to have dozens of identical twins walking around on all the worlds Revan went to in all different kinds of trade.

 

Naturally, but how does that relate to the context of Beccatoria's argument?