Mara Jade vs. Kyp Durron

Now here's adult vs. adult. No Skywalker blood to debate about. 1.) Lightsaber fight 2.) Gun fight 3.)Unarmed combat 4.) Who's a better con artist? My picks are 1-Kyp 2.Mara 3.Mara 4.Mara

 

I'll take Mara in any and all categories.

 

I would pick Mara in all the categories as well. I would love to see her kick Durron's sorry butt around a few times. But such a thing would be of the Dark side so I guess it will never happen (darn)

 

Lightsaber fight: Kyp, but my opinion on this one isn?t very strong.
I don?t think very highly of Kyp?s Lightsaber fighting ability because the only time we ever actually saw him fighting good worriers he need Mara to come and save him. The worriers (if you could even call them that) in AoC were not good compared to the ones in DT, and Kyp even pointed that fact out. (and for those of you who have been following my posts; yes, I think that Jacen could beat Mara in a Lightsaber duel)

Gun fight: Mara.
Skill people. It?s all about the skill. Mara has had extensive training; Kyp hasn?t had any to speak of.

Unarmed combat: Mara.
Again I will point out the fact that Mara has had an extensive amount of training with this, while Kyp has had little to speak of.

Who?s a better con artist?: I would have to lean towards Kyp here.
Mara has had lots of training, but Kyp has demonstrated a great amount of innate ability for it. That is obvious in Rebirth. Mara isn?t bad at it, in fact she is extremely good at it, but I don?t think that she is quite as good as Kyp is. So yes, I think that Kyp is much better at lying to people who might have been his friends had he not lied to them.

 

Once again, it depends on whether the author is someone like KJA, or if the author is Stackpole or Zahn. I have no doubt in my mind that KJA would have Kyp win a saber battle. I also have no doubt that if Stackpole wrote it then Mara would kick Kyp's butt from here to East Yahunga.

As for me I feel that Kyp would at least win in a saber fight. The others I'm not so sure of. And Kyp has never had a job as a con so Mara wins that one hands down. Also, the hand to hand combat is a toughie because although Mara HAS to be better at martial arts type stuff, Kyp still outweighs her "willowy" self (unless Troy Denning was wrong and she still has the pregnancy weight ). I am 95 pounds and even if I were the best martial artist in the world it would be hard to fend off someone twice my body weight. Unless I knew Judo. That's why I can't really call it on that one, I'm not sure of the experience Kyp has with hand to hand or what kind of hand to hand Mara knows. Ah, time for bed!!! Goodnight everyone

Jae Angel

 

1.) Lightsaber fight:

Mara learned the ropes to this before Kyp hit puberty.

2.) Gun fight

Mara has used blasters on several occasions. Has Kyp even touched one in any of the books?

3.)Unarmed combat

Mara, as long as she isn't wasting away from a Vong illness and several months pregnant.

4.) Who's a better con artist?

I'd say the Emperor's Hand has more background in this than a guy who manages to dupe Jaina and gets caught soon afterward.






I do think Kyp would win in a dogfight, though.

 

Mara would destroy Kyp in all contests. Only having trouble during the lightsabre duel.

 

Oh come on, this is daft. Mara spent 20 years using guns, Kyp went straght to a saber. Mara was trained for saber-less combat, and was a con artist. YOU CANT COMPARE WITH THESE CATEGORIES!

It's like asking who would win in a gunfight, Han or Wicket, or a saber dual between Talon Karrde and Luke


I'd say:

Saber Fight: Kyp. He'd have been using it a lot more than Mara, although she is good herself

Ranged Fight, forceless: Mara, due to her smuggler days, while Kyp never had a time where all he had was a gun

Diplomacy: Neither has really shown any major abilities here, but Mara spent time with Karrde, so I'd say her

Pilot: Kyp has a dozen, while Mara flies rarely. She seems good, but not a patch on Kyp

Working a room: Kyp definately. Mara generally doesn't try to


So, for me it is a closely fought 3-2 win for Kyp

 

Two words: Emperor's Hand

If she wasn't the best all around would she have been any use to the gnarly old dude?

Now Vader vs. Mara. Let's get it on!

 

jedi_luc...
"If she wasn't the best all around would she have been any use to the gnarly old dude."

She wasn't the best all around nor was she of any real use to the gnarly old dude. She failed nearly every major mission we know about that he gave her. As far as her skills go, the gnarly old dude's military leaders saw she was nothing more than a glorified errand boy. Her performance as an Emperor's Hand was woefully poor, and the gnarly old dude had plans to kill her off. Shows you how much he thought of her "mad skillz."

In short, Kyle wins in all categories, because he can out-Force her in all categories...
1. Lightsaber, he mps the floor
2. Blaster, he can take the hits better than she can. She needs to overwhelm his "absorb energy power" - a nearly impossible task, while he simply needs to hit her, a less-impossible task.
3. Con, he's got her beat. See "rebirth" about Kyp's con job. Mara's sole strength in this regard is her looks. Once people know she's a con artist, she loses all ability. Kyp, people have no idea about.

 

Humor me, I want to keep a certain image of her in my mind. And not the of her on the cover of the SW Insider from some time ago..lol

Besides, I can't stand kyp to be perfectly honest.

 

Genghis12, was that a typo, or did you really mean to say, ?Kyle wins in all categories?. I have a lot of trouble understanding your sense of humor some times, so I can?t be sure.

She needs to overwhelm his "absorb energy power"

What ?absorb energy power?? When has Kyp ever demonstrated that he could use that ability? As far as I know, he hasn?t. If you are talking about who is more likely to have that ability, then Mara would be the most likely choice. She had intended to have Luke teach her that ability after Vision of the Future.

 

she a former trained asassin mara in all catigories.

 

Kyp's as least as likely to know it as Mara is. He was at the academy for much longer than Mara, if Luke could teach it to Mara, why wouldn't he have taught it to his initial batch of students? (EDIT: I'm refering to the energy aborb skill). That being said, Corran Horn is the only one I can remember who ever exhibited this ability. I could have missed something, though.

"She had intended to have Luke teach her that ability after Vision of the Future."

That doesn't mean he did, or that she could have picked up the ability in the six or so odd years in between.

It brings up another concept, do we even know when Mara started her training? My memory is a little foggy about the end of Vision of the Future. Its approximately 6 years before the NJO, right? How did Mara go from barely trained (using latent skills like her danger sense and a few basic techniques Luke taught her in a hurry) to a Jedi Master in six years. People complain about Kyp's rise to Master, but his at least took a more normal amount of time. If this were the old order, Mara would still be a padawan. If I'm wrong about the timeline of Mara's training, let me know. Anyway, the whole point of argument turned rant was that Mara's lightsaber skills are probably a lot less refined than Kyp's, he's had a lot more time to practice and put it into use.

 

what can I say, she must be sleeping with someone important

 

LOL, RF.

Face Loran: ?if Luke could teach it to Mara, why wouldn't he have taught it to his initial batch of students?

Because Luke didn?t know that much about it until Corran ? who was actually in that first batch of students - came along. Also, Mara is a very close friend of Corran?s. If Luke hadn?t gotten around to teaching her, Corran probably has.

That being said, Corran Horn is the only one I can remember who ever exhibited this ability.

Anakin Solo used it a little bit in Conquest.

How did Mara go from barely trained (using latent skills like her danger sense and a few basic techniques Luke taught her in a hurry) to a Jedi Master in six years.

She spent those six years as Luke?s wife. That means that she was spending a very large portion of her time with the greatest Jedi Master in the Galaxy. If Luke could become a Jedi Knight with only a few months of training with the greatest Jedi Master in the galaxy, why couldn?t Mara rise to Master-hod after six years with Luke?

I?m not saying that Mara's rise to Jedi Master wasn?t fast. In fact, sometimes I think that her title is just honorary, and has little meaning behind it. But the fact remains that she is a Jedi Master, no matter how quickly she got that title.

 

Suppose one thing to remember is Kyp, Dorsk 81 and Chilghal becames Knights after about two years. Corran wouldn't have been far off either.

 

Kyp #1. Mara #4. It would be close on the others. He's much more powerful in the Force than she, but she's had training from the best. They both have lots of experience.

 

Pilot: Kyp

Lightsaber Fight: Kyp

Diplomacy: Kyp

Hand to Hand: Mara Jade

Gun fight: Mara

 

Piloting: It would probably depend on what's being flown. Mara's had a lot more experience with larger craft that require more than one person to pilot, but Kyp's got the upper hand when it comes to fighters.

Sabers: Much as I'd love to give this one to Mara, I have to say that Kyp's abilities with a saber are probably superior.

Blasters: Mara, without question.

Unarmed combat: If we're talking non-force, I'd say that they're about equal. If we're talking force, then I'd have to give Mara the upper hand.

Diplomacy: Kyp. Mara tends get frustated a little too easily.

Con Artist: Mara. I mean, she has to have learned something from Palpatine, as well as from Karrde.

 

I would say Mara in all the 4 topics except lightsabre combat (but it would be a close fight).

 

Lightsaber: Kyp without a doubt. Sure, Mara probably has more skill but Kyp would use the force to enhance his abilities, throw things at her, etc. and would wipe the floor with her.

Unarmed: same as above.

Gun fight: Kyp again, but probably closer than a lightsaber fight or unarmed just because i can't remember him using one and don't know how well he can shoot.

Con artist: Mara by far (i hate to admit that she'd win anything).

Dogfight: Kyp again.

 

You admit that you have no idea how well Kyp can shoot, but you believe that he is better than a Jedi who has had extensive training with it? I?m sorry but that sounds like an extremely baseless and biased opinion to me.

 

My point was that he'd be using the force in other ways to either distract her or simply throw things at her making it hard for her to hit him, that would give him the edge I think because he'd be causing her so many problems that way the he'd eventually get lucky and shoot her.

If it makes you feel better, without the force , i think she would kill him in all areas except maybe in a dogfight.

 

We aren?t talking about who would kill the other one as much a we are talking about who is better at these things than the other one. How would Kyp or Mara kill one another by being a con artist?