Marvel's only quasi-canon?

Is this how it's always been?

 

I have no idea. WOTC did a bunch of articles called planet hoppers based on some of the old marvel stuff. Does that make them more than S cannon?

 

It would, since it's a mention in a C-canon source. I was under the impression, though, that all Marvel issues were now fully C-canon.

 

So was I. Huh.

 

Could be messing with you, despite all the advancements of our technology sarcasm still doesn't register that well online

That, or he wants to pick a fight and is trying to goad Genghis out into the open

 

I always though the Marvel was S-canon which is one degree lower than C-canon.

For those unaware the scale is

G-Canon

C-Canon

S-Canon

N-Canon

 

Marvel is C-Canon. Leland Chee stated that the Marvel comics were officially accepted into the continuity a bunch of years back.

 

So, what's up with the statement I quoted above?

 

I was under the impression that it's S-canon unless it has been upgraded to C-canon by a mention in another source, or at least that's how I understood it. I can ask around though.

 

Oh, maybe I'm wrong. I've only seen it treated as C-canon, though.

 

Six, one, half-a-dozen or the other, guys. Latest word is that Marvel is S-canon unless referenced by something else. Well, just about every Marvel issue has been referenced, including that trio of contradictory issues "Whatever Happened to Jabba the Hut?", "Hoth Stuff", and "Jawas of Doom". So we can assume that nearly all of Marvel is C-canon.

TC

 

It's BS-Canon.

It's stuff we were told to forget, only to turn around and be told to remember again.

much of it should stay forgotten.

 

QFT, homefry.

 

It's true. Don't you find it fitting that it became canon again just when the stuff happened to be rereleased?

 

Since when? We've gotten a more or less steady stream of Marvel references for the past 6 or 7 years (before DHC rereleased them, too), and even before that, they were referenced in everything from WEG sourcebooks to the Essential Guides to a couple novels (Han Solo Trilogy, for example.) So its not as though they were completely ignored or pushed off---they just weren't common knowledge.

 

How about the Goodwin/Williamson and Manning strips. Are they C-Canon? They strike me as having fewer continuity conflicts than the Marvels.

 

bah...I remember in 1991 when they launched Heir to the Empire, we were essentially made to believe that EU got a restart, and when DH started creating, they were completely unicumbered by what came before.

And those references of which you speak? usually off plot or gapped in (and the Han Solo Trilogy references were to the Han Solo adventures, not marvel comics) And WEG material references used it for filler, and only then did it get creedence.

you're right about 6 or 7 years ago. The attitude started to shift around 2000-2001. Well that was a decade after being told to forget. I read marvel as a kid. Even then I thought it was silly, but I accepted it. 91, that changed. 2001 it changed back. It's irritating.

 

Rik Duel had a speaking role in Hutt Gambit, where he participated in the Battle of Nar Shaddaa.

The original Essential Guide to Character also had a decent amount of Marvel stuff in it, from Lando's post-RotJ adventures to actual images from the comics themselves. You're right that it was mostly minor references, though.

 

Also, I think a reason DH didn't mention Marvel back in the day is because they didn't need to. Marvel told stories set within the OT, DH picked up the saga after the OT and even going back to the Sith Age. Just because something isn't mentioned, doesn't mean it doesn't "exist". I don't expect every novel that comes out to have ten pages dedicated to nothing but obscure references to every game, sourcebook, novel, comic, etc. before it. No one talks about my beloved Kir Kanos anymore, but I don't think that means he's been "erased" from canon. The opportunity just hasn't arisen yet.

 

Oh I agree...in fact I strongly urge for less reference in new material today.

What I am saying is that we were led to believe that marvel didn't matter. I don't know if this was achieved through the marketing or via the works themselves. (I was eleven) There may have even been something published that I read. But in 1991, star wars got a "do-over"...and minor references aside, marvel was forgotten for a decade.

Now we have a much broader "staggered" canon, so now everything is kosher again. It's a game, played by people looking at marketing strategies differently. It can make you feel like a pawn.

 

Marvel told the story from right after Yavin till about half a year after Jedi. There's a number of Bantam books in that era, some DH, and now Zahn. Also, the galaxy was in shambles after the last Marvel issue. But did you ever hear of the Tofs after?

 

The Empire and Rebellion comics have been placed where they are in the timeline so as not to conflict with the Marvels.

I wouldn't say that we were "told to forget" the marvels back in the early nineties. The Expanded Universe was still small then, and over the next decade, it kept growing larger, and more and more material was being welcomed into the continuity. Leland Chee's position as "Keeper of the Holocron" wasn't even around in the nineties, so there was no opportunity to "officially" welcome them into the continuity. Their very nature kept them in the ambiguous background for as long as they were --- not published by Dark Horse, written years before the EU was the EU --- heck, even Splinter and the Han & Lando adventures were ambiguously canon in the early nineties. TalonCard is right when he says that by now, nearly every issue has been referenced by other sources. I think it's fair to call them C-Canon.

 

To be able to tell if they fit into continuity, one has to read them. When one has read them, the absence of its ramifications becomes abundantly clear.

 

The Marvels showed the Rebellion as a ragtag, short on supplies and funds, group of freedom fighters better than most other EU. The current Rebellion comics have them with advanced trooper armour and pretty good-looking ships, but the Marvels had them with primitive technology, and constantly fleeing from base to base. The good majority of the Marvels deal with the Rebellion fighting the Empire, and character development of the big three. Superwatto's right when he says that there aren't really ramifications to continuity. They fit better than a lot of other material.

 

As far as I'm concerned anything besides Infinities or something that we're told by LFL isn't canon can be made to work somehow even if we can't think of how to make it work. That sort of stuff is best left up to LFL and the authors.