Ever since that companion video's there seem to have been a lot of thread dealing with the Nadia Grell companion character who is romancable by her Jedi Consular master. Lots of hubub about is it right/wrong, should you get DarkSide points if you romance her. I'm pretty eh, I'll romance her if I feel like it. But since we are all about the story here on the lit thread. But let?s head off the Underage thing at the pass. Two consenting adult Jedi in a Master Apprentice relationship, is romance out of the question? There is Luke and Mara (Sort off) but on the other hand there is Jolee Bindo and his Wife (who wasn't supposed to train her) Kyp Durron and Jaina has a semi-thing going on, and most people in story seemed cool with it. So in story is it a good idea? Bad idea? Stupidly dangerous Idea? An idea akin to sticking your tongue on a toaster, foolish?
Okay, silly question- but did Luke and Mara ever really... date? I feel like they just basically had ten years of sexual tension and then decided to get married in the face of certain death. Haha. And Mara was already well-beyond the apprentice stage by then. As for Kyp and Jaina, I feel like the authors were purposefully vague about their relationship, probably BECAUSE of the age difference/Jaina being so young. But she specifically turns Kyp down when he asks her to be his apprentice. And there's plenty of inference/innuendo in Dark Journey when she IS his apprentice, but by the time the the Enemy Lines series came out, she was very clearly with Jag. I believe she makes a comment to Kyp about him 'chasing after' her, but never specifically states that they were involved beyond the flirtation we see in Edge of Victory and the antagonistic innuendo in DJ. But who was there to be 'cool with it'? None of her family... nor any other Jedi... are around for the EoV fiasco, and everyone is grieving over Anakin in DJ. In fact.. the only times I can really recall it being inferred that there was more of a romantic relationship between them are 1) when Jag asks if she won't go with him to Csilla because of Kyp and 2) when Han makes the comment in Dark Nest to Jag about 'liking Kyp better.'
Not if you don't count the months in between their engagement and marriage. Luke DID finish her training during that period of time, but she was well past the stage of apprentice. It was more a formally bringing her into the Order thing. I also agree that while there's nothing wrong with relationships between Jedi, Master-Apprentice relationships are a little iffy.
No one spoke out against their flirtations, And I figured since Octa Ramis was said to be Kyp's Aprentice lover, i figured everyone was cool with it.
A Master-Apprentice relationship strikes me as most akin to a boss dating his secretary, or at least an employee he supervises.
As Manisphere points out, Padawans should be hands-off. Period. I've always seen the Master and Padawan connection as the closest thing to a parental figure (or older sibling) that young Jedi had in the old Order. Going any further would be a bad, BAD thing. Which brings us to Nadia and the (insert Jedi Consular's name) in TOR. I've seen that clip from the companions video update - she appears to be a very young, very trusting adult. There's a lot that we don't know, and I, for one, aren't sure I'd be comfortable with Nadia as a romanceable character. Luke's Order, OTOH ... age is the biggest concern I have. Mara may have received lessons from Luke, but they were two adults. Nobody could claim that Mara was incapable of taking care of herself, and Luke wasn't being a tyrannical karkhead. The dynamic felt more like "30-something ex-soldier winds up dating her yoga teacher," which is really only guilty of sounding like a bad Lifetime movie of the week, IMHO. But in Luke's Order, as in the old Order, I'd be very troubled by a master messing around with a Padawan. Kyp and Jaina ... I suppose what makes it different, from my POV, is that Jaina was at least 18 when Dark Journey came out. (She's insinuated to be 19 or 18 1/2 in Star by Star, since Anakin was 17, and we know there was a 1.5 year age difference between the twins and Anakin.) That, and Jaina was in the throes of dark side craziness for the last fifth or so of SbS, and a good portion of DJ. I'd really like to know when her psychotic threat scene against Ganner in Traitor took place, in the timeline; it's insinuated that it was concurrent with parts of DJ. In any case, I'm glad the authors didn't go any further with Jaina and Kyp than they did in the NJO. I feel it was better for her to be with Jag at that point, centrally because they were closer in age.
Yeeeeeah. I understand why that particular romance would merit dark side points for a Jedi character.
Just to be clear. I said Padawan should be hands off because going by the Old Order a padawan is trained by a master from a very young age. It just seems creepy to form a romance with your master if he/she has been training you from childhood. Apprentice for some reason can mean something else to me. I'm lumping Nomi Sunrider to Mara Jade in this group. If you're training from adulthood I see no problem with any kind of romance with your master. It may ruin the becoming a Jedi experience and if I were a master I'd probably not be a huge fan of the concept. But I can see it working for some.
For sure. I just think that snippet of Nadia in the companion video was creepy. She seems very... well, "impressionable". It was like watching an undergrad come on to their professor.
I wouldn't call undergrads impressionable. Well the ones I remember were not impressionable, I sure wasn't either. She sound young because she is young. I don't get impressionable, not from such a small sound bit.
Ulicus hits the nail on the head. 18- and 19-year-olds are, while legally adult, not as wise as they like to think. That's not a slam against them, but just a recognition of the fact that it takes living to gain experience.
What better way to gain experience than to shack up with your hot teacher? It's a bit creepy, but I'd be fine with it.
I thought it was because Ulicus is one of thoes Malevolent profs who REGULARLY MESS' WITH HIS STUDENTS! for his own sick pleasure! Impossible deadlines, rambles on about subjects that will not be on tests. evil!
Yeah this is one facet of Star Wars that always made me wonder. We see all sorts of scandals between priests and teachers and their students, but with the Jedi we never hear anything of the sort ever happening. I mean do the Jedi take those sorts of considerations into account on who can be whose master and who can be whose apprentice? We know that Mirialan Jedi were only permitted to train if their master was of the same species due to cultural beliefs. Would there be any other rules or protocol over who can master what apprentice. I mean padawans get chosen by a master when their heading into their teenage years... right when their hormones are going into effect. I mean hypothetically would the Jedi be okay with, lets say Aayla Secura deciding to take a male padawan who will be becoming a hormone crazed teenager in a year or two?
That can be put down to the nature of the franchise, I think, Jedi Masters molesting underage padawans is for all likelihood too gritty for even the current SW EU. Pragmatically, such things should be expected for all likelihood if we would be dealing with a more realistic fictional universe. But one could also assume that in that case there also would be heavy psychological tests etc done by the Jedi during normal times before a Jedi would be allowed to take a young student.
Psych test? these guys who passed Anakin "I slaughterd them All" Skywalker? you serious? In the Dresden files, which deals with wizards in modern sociaty, it turns out apprentices falling for or trying to seduce their masters is not uncommon, for the White Council. Harry Dresden poured ice water on his apprentice Molly Carpinter, the first time she tried it(she was 17 at the time, but he knew her before she hit puberty and she is his best friends daughter). and the wizard Luccino a century old wizard swaped into a yonger body (Not her choice) revealed to Harry after the death of Morgan (Another Wizard, who was a pain in Harry's hindquaters, but on the same side) That her apprentice (Morgan) was in love with her, she shot him down (figuratively), even after he became a master wizard himself. Seems like most master wizards deal with teenage harmones the same way, with "No."
In my opinion, and I'm talking about Star Wars characters only, not in real life here, I feel that as long as the Apprentice completed his/her training. i.e. the Master is not currently training him/her, then It is okay for them to be involved in a romantic relationship.
