Midichlorian Count

I?m trying to make my own SW RPG & I want to give individual character force points. To help me in this venture I Just wondered what people suspect the Midichlorian Count is of the force users in the Starwars galaxy are (no supershadow thanks)

We know that Anakin had over 20 thousand (which was more then yoda)
We also know that the rest of the Skywalker family has a high count although their counts must get slightly diluted the further they get away from Anakin

 

Force potential wise it seems to be the same within the skywalker family, i don't know about midi-chloridians in the family though.

 

Being 1/2 Chosen, and 1/2 Force Sensitive, the twins, supposedly, would have ended up with the better part of that relationship, as far as we can gather.

Soooo... that would probably still keep them above Yoda's, but Lukes would be higher (Midi's, not potenial), purely because he's a male, and obviously takes over more of his fathers traits, then his mothers.

So Luke, prolly about 80~% of Anakins, and Leia prolly about 60% of Anakins.

 

That's funny, I was just thinking about asking this question. Is there really no EU source that has ever stated Luke/Leia midi count?

 

yeah i wish we can ask GL that question.

 

i would also love to know. heres my thoughts

Anakin
Luke - Leia
Ben Skywalker
Anakin - Jacen - Jaina
Palpatine - Yoda - Mace
Dooku - Anakin (suited) ? might be a bit harsh on Dooku
Maul
Kenobi - Jinn
Kyp Durron - second tier jedi aka Kit Fisto ect

 

Its very difficult to estimate most of the midi counts with so little information, but you could safely assume:

Anakin Skywalker is somewhere around 23,000
Luke & Leia would be just below that, say 20-21,000
Yoda is below 20,000, and Obi-Wan, Dooku, Mace and Qui-Gon are all below Yoda. So say Yoda is around 17-18,000, then you could make reasonable guesses for the others.
The Solo kids I guess would come in just above Yoda and below Luke and Leia...

 

Anakin/Luke/Leia/Jacen/Jaina/Ben/Anakin They're all the same in terms of potential and thats what Midi's are, potential.

Palpatine/Yoda/Revan

Mace/Dooku/Suited Vader/Maul

Kenobi/Jinn/Kyp/Malak

Corran/Kit/Quinlan/

Obviously we have no true canonical proof to base these assumptions on save some scattered G-Level info and the material, which is usually biased, so I used my own litttle rankings system.

 

No way Revan has that much! Revan should be around 10.000 or something, not 20.000 like Yoda and Palpy.

 

Kyp would have a higher midi-chlorian count than Leia Because in JS Luke tested both of them and found out that Kyp had the highest Potential, which makes him stronger in the force than Leia (But not necessaraly Luke if the above informatin is correct)

 

Anakin Solo: We have a qualitative analysis of Anakin Solo's place in the "midi heirarchy" from a credible Jedi authority. Anakin Solo is the "next Luke Skywalker at the very least." Take the highest range that could be Luke Skywalker, and this might be the lowest side of Anakin Solo's range.

Kyp Durron: We have two different corroborating authorities on Kyp's place. In the JAT, Luke muses that Kyp is even more powerful than himself. In NJO, Kyp, himself, muses the same thing. Even if we discard Kyp's assessment as biased prattle, we have no less than the best current authority on the matter ranking him. So, the question is who's right - Kyp or Luke?

 

Kyp has the most raw potential. He lacks Luke's self-discipline and serenity that would allow him to capitalize on all of his power in the Force.

So he's kind of like Mace Windu to Luke's Yoda. He's the stronger Jedi, but he doesn't have the same wisdom and connection with the Force that Luke does.

And in a deviation from this analogy, of course, the Unifying Force comes into play - and Luke can draw on it in a way that Kyp could only dream of, ultimately making him far more powerful than Durron.

 

I think that's quite a good analogy (Mace/Kyp to Yoda/Luke). The only thing absent is the gigantic age disparity.

 

In light of what Lucas has said about Luke having the same potential as his father, Kyp can't be stronger than Luke.

 

Im not saying that Kyp would win in a fight than Luke rather that Kyp has a greater force potential than Luke which would mean he has a greater amount of midichlorians. It doesn't make him a stronger jedi, it just means he has the potential to be. He probably won't reach that potential however.

 

No, Luke has much more potential than Kyp.

I think when Leia tested him, she wasn't too sure and couldn't test him correctly, and was only shoved back a small way. She should have been blown into orbit

 

True.

 

Well, I recall Supershadow had a list of Midichlorian lists, which has to be accurate, since it came straight from Lucas.

 

Hmm, maybe some sort of retcon is in order. What if Luke's test from the JAT REALLY determined the amount of untapped potential in the person, as opposed to their total potential? At that time, Kyp should definitely have more of it than Luke, seeing as he hadn't been trained yet.

 

Anakin/Luke/Leia/Jacen/Jaina/Ben/Anakin They're all the same in terms of potential and thats what Midi's are, potential.

No, not true. Anakin is a Force Conceived Being and therefore has far more potential than his offspring. Luke and Leia have less potential than their father as they have Padme's DNA (although it has never been shown how force potential is transferred to the child). If it is DNA (which it might be because they blood tested Anakin to determine is midi-chlorian count) then J/J/A have even less potential because of their Solo blood as well. However connection to the force is different to potential with the force and the combined effect of those is how strong someone is. But on pure midi-chlorian counts Anakin is far above everyone else.

 

The Kyp thing has really disturbed me for some time, but in it's just Kyp having a big head. And in JAT the method of testing is still new, so it may not be very accurate.

The fact of the matter is that we now know that Anakin is the chosen one, and infact concieved of the Force/midichloreans (whichever you perfer). Luke and Leia are his offsprings, and according to Lucas, have the same potential. I know that's G-canon, but I have the feeling that they have a little less potential, but still above 20,000. The fact of the matter is that the only way that Kyp could have more midis then Luke is if he were the chosen one, or if he was concieved of the Force/midichloreans as well, which he wasn't, so it must be just wrong.

IMO, it gets a bit complicated with the Solo children. Jacen and Jaina have probably the same count, but at different times in their lives, show very different amount of pwer then their sibling. I feel that Anakin had way more potential, and IMO gerater then Luke, and maybe even equal to Anakin Skywalker. He was litteraly glowing with the Force. That probably had to do with the death of midichloreans in his body or something... Anyway, the big question is how did he get that answer. For that, I have the same answer as I do for Anakin Skywalker: Palpatine. It makes sense, Palpatine conceved Anakin with the midichloreans, and touched Anakin in Leia's womb, in where he might have piled on extra midichloreans for his new body or possible new apprentice/ chosen one.

It makes perfect sense!

 

Never thought about that. The touch from Palpatine, who in DE did proclaim himself to be "The Darkside", made Anakin even stronger. I can see that. What doesn't kill you makes you stronger after all. I like it

 

I'm not a big fan of the specific midi counts (makes it all too Dragonball Z-esque for me), but I'll give this a crack.

Tier 1) Anakin Skywalker, Luke Skywalker. Possibly Ben Skywalker, Anakin Solo, and POSSIBLY Jacen Solo

The biggest of the big. We know Anakin is the Chosen One, concieved by the Force itself (never really bought into the idea that Palpatine created him, but that's a subject for another thread). Luke is Anakin's equal (Lucas said this, I believe, and we do have the films to back it up). It's possible that, by the end of the NJO, Luke has realized his potential more fully than Anakin did.

As for the direct male heirs of the Skywalker bloodline, I'm not sure that "cutting" it with Amidala or Solo blood makes it less powerful. Remeber, midicholorians aren't always pure genetics. The Will of the Force must also be considered, in addition to random chance. Heck, perhaps a jedi child has the aggregate sum of BOTH his parents' midi counts!. In any case, Anakin was showing some real promise before he was cut down, and Ben, the hero of the future, stands to be just as powerful. Post-Traitor Jacen seems to have surpassed Jaina in almost every way, and his new powers, while unorthodox, are astounding.

Tier 2) Yoda and Palpatine
More than most anyone can expect to achieve, but not divine in origin.

Tier 2.5) Dooku and Kyp
These two are tricky. We know they are both tremendously powerful,but its difficult to rank them in regards to the other top two. However, they are conisderably more powerful than the below Tier 3 Jedi. However, I feel it's important to link them together. Both thought themselves to be stronger than the leading Jedi of the time. Both have served as Jedi Masters and Sith Lords (though Kyp's claim to Lordhood is dubious, at best). Both seem to mix a certian degree of arrogance with a small portion of genius (moreso Dooku on this one).


Tier 3) Mace Windu,Obi Wan Kenobi, Jaina Solo, Darth Maul
Still very powerful, but not as mind-bendingly so as the previous two ranks. A lot of people rank Mace up with Yoda, but EpII tells us that he's considered markedly less than Yoda. In the same line, Obi Wan is stated to be just as powerful as Mace. We know Maul rocked pretty hard, and lost to Obi-Wan on a trick play, so I'd consider them tied. Amongst the NJO, Jaina, while lacking the depth of the greater Masters, she does seem to have the sabering and the piloting pretty down.


Tier 4) Mara Jade, Corran Horn, Kit Fisto, and pretty much every other Knight of note
Stronger than your average bear (or perhaps just the average bears), these Knights are the backbone of the Order. A good mix of brute strenght, smarts, and resourcefulness.

 

Luke is Anakin's equal (Lucas said this, I believe, and we do have the films to back it up)

Is it possible that GL is refering to Anakin when he turns back from the dark side , not Anakin pre Vader. Because Vader was a fair bit weaker than Anakin in terms of the force, it would make more sense for Luke to be stronger than returned Anakin rather than pre Vader Anakin.

But because of Lukes greater connection to the force he is his Fathers equal pre Vader.

 

I think (and someone correct me if i'm wrong) that GL said that Luke had the same potential as Anakin