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Moff Panaka good or bad

Discussion in 'Literature' started by Quinlan007, Feb 14, 2006.

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  1. Quinlan007

    Quinlan007 Jedi Youngling

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    I just want to know what kind of person Panaka was. I don't think he was evil or anything like that. Not everyone who wore the Imperial uniform was a tyrant like Tarkin. Veers and Palleon are an example of principled military men who served the Empire. I think Panaka was a beliver in Palpatine and what he represented. The corruption of the Senate led to his world suffering at the hands of the Trade Federation. Palpatine is elected and the situation resolves itself. The corruption in the Senate keeps Gunray from being punished. I thinik he thought the republic was rotten to the core and needed to go. I don't think he is the villian that other moffs were or that he would destroy a planet the way Tarkin did. I think he spied on Padme and Anakin because he believed that it was his duty, both to the Republic and Naboo. YOur thoughts please.
     
  2. Zebra3

    Zebra3 Jedi Master star 5

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    Well, the thing with Panaka is that we don't really know too much about what he did when he was a Moff. He apparently gave gifts to Palpatine but other than that we don't know too much to say he was good or bad.
     
  3. Quinlan007

    Quinlan007 Jedi Youngling

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    Yeah but they can give us something.
     
  4. AdmiralWesJanson

    AdmiralWesJanson Force Ghost star 5

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    Panaka was a downright pessimist, except when it came to Palpatine being elected ;) He'd probably get along quite well with Chief Bast.

    From the script (by way of Dan Wallace's blog)

    CAPTAIN PANAKA takes a deep breath in frustration.

    CAPTAIN PANAKA looks nervously to OBI-WAN and QUI-GON.

    CAPTAIN PANAKA and HALF A DOZEN GUARDS and PILOTS look around nervously.

    CAPTAIN PANAKA and HIS MEN throw down their weapons.

    CAPT. PANAKA : This is a dangerous situation, Your Highness.

    CAPT. PANAKA : Our security volunteers will be no match against a battle-hardened Federation army.

    CAPT. PANAKA : There are too many of them.

    CAPT. PANAKA : Getting past their blockade is impossible, Your Highness.

    CAPT. PANAKA : Without shields we'll be sitting ducks!

    CAPT. PANAKA : Your Highness, Tatooine is very dangerous.

    CAPT. PANAKA : It looks pretty bad. We'd better seal the ship.

    CAPT. PANAKA : The moment we land the Federation will arrest you, and force you to sign the treaty.

    CAPT. PANAKA : There are only twelve of us, Your Highness....we have no army.

    CAPT. PANAKA : Your Highness, this is a battle I do not think we can win.

    CAPT. PANAKA : They've probably spotted us.
     
  5. ThrawnRocks

    ThrawnRocks Jedi Master star 6

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    I think Panaka should be just as bad as your average Moff. True, he isn't an insane planet killer like Tarkin, but he seems to be quite loyal to Palpatine, and I think it really helps show that the good guys from Episode 1 are not necessarily good guys during the OT. It really helps support Palpatine's line "Evil is a point of view." And that just gives me chills. In a good way.
     
  6. Barriss_Coffee

    Barriss_Coffee Chosen One star 6

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    "believed it was his duty"

    psh. He's bad. I always knew there was something evil about him... They didn't call him ol' Pessimistic Panaka for nothing. I bet tortured Gungans for fun.
     
  7. ThrawnRocks

    ThrawnRocks Jedi Master star 6

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    Next week on When Good Naboo Go Bad, see Ric Olié teach Baron Fel everything he knows...
     
  8. GrandAdmiralJello

    GrandAdmiralJello Comms Admin ❉ Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque star 10 Staff Member Administrator

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    He's a good guy. :)
     
  9. Barriss_Coffee

    Barriss_Coffee Chosen One star 6

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    I bet he never gave up the hat. Or else he has a little green/grey imp class with a flap down the back.
     
  10. Card_Dreamer

    Card_Dreamer Jedi Youngling star 3

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    That's not evil. That's one's civil duty! If anything, that lone should put him right there with Yoda, Obi-Wan and Luke =P

    Maybe more so...

    I mean, who here WOULDN'T torture gungans for fun? (and if you've played Battlefront, I know darn well you all played the Naboo Plains levels for the explicit purpose of shooting them down)...
     
  11. AdmiralWesJanson

    AdmiralWesJanson Force Ghost star 5

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    Give up the Helm of Pessimism? That would be a bad idea...
     
  12. 000

    000 Jedi Master star 4

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    He stayed loyal to the government and was apparently capable and intelligent enough to get appointed governor of the (presumably) Chommel sector... what's bad about that?
     
  13. Charlemagne19

    Charlemagne19 Chosen One star 8

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    It was for a nightmarishly repressive regime that destroyed the people who saved his planet.
     
  14. Ive_Got_Two_Legs

    Ive_Got_Two_Legs Jedi Youngling star 4

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    "This is a starfighter. It flies in space."
     
  15. 000

    000 Jedi Master star 4

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    Who, Skywalker, Amidala and the Queen's guard? Last I checked, Skywalker was the Emperor's Executor, Amidala died from birth complications, and the guard were either retired or (like Panaka) promoted into higher positions.
     
  16. Barriss_Coffee

    Barriss_Coffee Chosen One star 6

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    (and if you've played Battlefront, I know darn well you all played the Naboo Plains levels for the explicit purpose of shooting them down)


    I can see it now... Panaka in his little nifty Moff outfit... joyriding shaaks in the fields with Tarkin and target practicing on Gungans left and right....
     
  17. Charlemagne19

    Charlemagne19 Chosen One star 8

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    I'm referring to the Jedi.
     
  18. 000

    000 Jedi Master star 4

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    What'd the Jedi do to drive the Trade Federation off Naboo?
     
  19. QuentinGeorge

    QuentinGeorge Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    What'd the Jedi do to drive the Trade Federation off Naboo?

    Well, they WERE the original ambassadors sent by Valorum, rescued the Queen, took her to Coruscant where she was able to a) Get Palpatine elected and b) Organise to retake her homeworld with the help of a) A slave boy and B) a Gungan who were ALSO saved by the Jedi.

    So, no Jinn or Kenobi = Trade Federation Rules Naboo from then on.

    None of which, has anything to do with Panaka, who clearly chafed against Qui-Gon Jinn during the entire process (Dissing every plan from landing on Tatooine to the retaking of Naboo).

    Plus, there's no indication Panaka believes anything except the official Imperial story of a Jedi rebellion. In fact, his experience with Jinn's intransigence may have made him even more susceptible to such a story.
     
  20. Kudzu

    Kudzu Jedi Knight star 5

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    "These triggers control the lasers. When you pull them, the laser cannons fire! It is a bad idea to pull these triggers when you do not want to fire the laser cannons."
     
  21. GrandAdmiralJello

    GrandAdmiralJello Comms Admin ❉ Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque star 10 Staff Member Administrator

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    Oh, the Jedi? You mean those people who said they would mediate and not interfere?

    Those hypocritical little ************* who were so self-assured about their mission and their ability to dictate "wisdom" down to everyone else, as if the rest of the galaxy were mentally incapable.

    Let's not talk about those dirty lying snakes, mmkay?




    As far as BFII goes, it seems that was an isolated incident restricted to Apailana. SWG explains that most of the Naboo were very pleased with Palpatine and happy to go along with the Empire--that's why no garrison was left there. They welcomed the Empire.
     
  22. Charlemagne19

    Charlemagne19 Chosen One star 8

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    Oh, the Jedi? You mean those people who said they would mediate and not interfere?

    Say what you will about the Old Jedi Order but they never failed to interfere where they could for the betterment of others.
     
  23. GrandAdmiralJello

    GrandAdmiralJello Comms Admin ❉ Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque star 10 Staff Member Administrator

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    Liar. :)

    They didn't come to free slaves.

    They didn't come to fight a war.

    And the PotJ sourcebook is telling--the very book written about the Jedi explains that the Jedi should not interfere where it is not their mandate. That is, a Master explained to his padawan that the reason they help the law enforcement catch thieves on Nal Hutta and the reason they permit slavery and torture is because that's what the local laws dicatate, and the Jedi are not supposed to interfere.

    Unfortunately, the Jedi lost that circumspection by the PT era and became a bunch of arrogant jerks, riding the edge of the Dark Side in their overzealousness.

    And they certainly failed to interfere in the Mandalorian Wars!

    Hmmm.

    Methinks you need to look again. Y'see, the word "never" means that there are no instances of a certain thing. I've just shown four.

    Nice try though, but the Jedi are irredeemable.
     
  24. Charlemagne19

    Charlemagne19 Chosen One star 8

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    Yes, the Mandalorian war that resulted in thousands of Jedi becoming Dark Siders that were MUCH MUCH MUCH worse than the Mandalorians. Frankly, if more Jedi had stayed out of the Mandalorian War then the galaxy would have been much better place. Good thinking when they DID end up reserving their numbers to fight the much greater evil of Revan.

    And in the end, Qui Gon did free slaves (two of them).

    The Jedi may have a very lawful good view of the world where they didn't work to disrupt the existing power structure but they seemed to work their darndest anyway against it.

    They didn't come to fight a war.

    "We cannot fight a war for you."

    They still did their best to help her get to a certain Viceroy.
     
  25. LastOneStanding

    LastOneStanding Jedi Padawan star 4

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    I know this is basically completely unrelated, but if you use the random name generator enough in KotOR II, you'll eventually find a Panaka amongst the bunch. Whether this is supposed to make the Exile a distant ancestor of our head-gear wearing Moff is anyone's guess.
     
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