Mon Calamari MC90 vs Executor class star destroyer

ok first off all my friend thinks that a MC90 can easily take out an executer class star destroyer.

heres the statistics

MON CALAMARI MC90 STAR CRUISER

Craft: Mon Calamari MC90 Star Cruiser
Type: Star Cruiser
Scale: Capital
Length: 1,255 meters
Skill: Capital ship piloting: Mon Calamari Star Cruiser
Crew: 5,560, gunners: 605, skeleton: 1,350/+10
Crew Skill: Astrogation 4D, capital ship gunnery 5D, capital ship piloting 6D, capital ship shields 5D+1, sensors 3D+1
Passengers: 1,700 (troops)
Cargo Capacity: 30,000 metric tons
Consumables: 2 years
Cost: Not available for sale
Hyperdrive Multiplier: x1
Hyperdrive Backup: x9
Nav Computer: Yes
Maneuverability: 3D
Space: 7
Hull: 7D
Shields: 6D, backup: 6D
Sensors:

Passive: 40/1D
Scan: 60/2D
Search: 120/3D
Focus: 5/4D

Weapons:

75 Turbolaser Batteries

Fire Arc: 30 front, 15 left, 15 right, 15 back
Crew: 3
Skill: Capital ship gunnery
Fire Control: 2D
Space Range: 3-15/35/75
Atmosphere Range: 6-30/70/150 km
Damage: 4D

30 Ion Cannon Batteries

Fire Arc: 10 front, 8 left, 8 right, 4 back
Crew: 7
Skill: Capital ship gunnery
Fire Control: 3D
Space Range: 1-10/25/50
Atmosphere Range: 2-20/50/100 km
Damage: 3D

8 Tractor Beam Projectors

Fire Arc: 5 front, 1 left, 1 right, 1 back
Crew: 10
Skill: Capital ship gunnery
Fire Control: 2D+2
Space Range: 1-5/15/30
Atmosphere Range: 2-10/30/60 km
Damage: 4D

6 Proton Torpedo Tubes

Fire Arc: Front
Crew: 15
Skill: Capital ship gunnery
Fire Control: 3D+2
Space Range: 2-12/30/60
Atmosphere Range: 4-24/60/120 km
Damage: 6D+1

Starfighter Complement: 2 wings of 3 squadrons each, 2 stock light freighters. Always include one recon squadron.

EXECUTOR CLASS STARDESTROYER

NAME/TYPE: Executor-class Command Ship
DESIGNER/MANUFACTURER: Lira Wessex/Kuat Drive Yards
COMBAT DESIGNATION: Battleship
LENGTH: 17,600 meters
CREW: 279,144; 1,590 gunners
PASSENGERS: 38,000 troops
SPEED RATING: 40 MGLT
HYPERDRIVE: x2
HULL RATING: 45712 RU
SHIELD RATING: 96000 SBD
CONSUMABLES: 6 years
WEAPONS: 250 Taim & Bak Turbolaser Batteries;
250 Taim & Bak Heavy Turbolaser Batteries;
250 Borstel Ion Cannon Batteries;
250 Krupx Concussion Missile Tubes;
40 Phylon Tractor Beam Projectors

STARFIGHTER SQUADRONS: 2 Squads of TIE Interceptors; 2 Squads of
TIE Bombers; 8 Squads of TIE Fighters

PLANETARY ASSAULT TROOPS: Full Corps of Stormtroopers and other soldiers;
25 AT-AT walkers; 50 AT-ST walkers; 3 Pre-fabricated Garrison Bases

OTHER ONBOARD CRAFT: 20 Lambda-Class Imperial Shuttles;
15 Assault Shuttles; 10 Assault Gunboats





he thinks that a mc90 can beat an executor just because the calamari ships have over laping shields and faster shield recharging. but then i debated back that the executor has well over 10x the fire power and outnumbers the calamari ship in terms of weapon placement in a ratio of 10:1 turbolaser/ion cannon emplacements.

so what do you guys think?

 

In a straight up brawl? The Super Star Destroyer, no question. In fact, I believe (I'm not quite sure) that this fight actually occurs in one of the X-Wing books, where the Mon Remonda (which I THINK is an MC-90 but I'm not sure and don't feel like looking it up ATM) is surprised by Warlord Zsinj's Super-class Iron Fist. Due to brilliant tactics on the Republic crew's part, the Mon Remonda was able to escape, but had it stayed to duke it out, it was clear that it would have had no chance.

Seriously, Super Star Destroyers were built to equal roughly a squadron of Imperial-class Star Destroyers. There is no other capital ship (with the exception of the Eclipse and the two Death Stars) that rivals the power that a SSD packs.

 

Neither EGVV or NEGVV bothered to say how many and what type of weapons the Superstar has. Why, I ask myself, when it's known from other sources.

 

Those battles in Wraith Squadron have really ticked me off. The fleet under Solo is so pathetically weak compared to the Iron Fist alone, that Zsinj could/should have destroyed the majority of it in the first five minutes of a stand up fight.

Yet Rebel ships seem invincible.

 

*sniff* The guy used "Executor class" in the thread title. It's so...beautiful.

I give this bout to the Ex.

 

RWR: hang on - since when did you start liking the term "Executor-class Star Destroyer"?!



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More generally - in terms of size, the Executor is vastly larger, and thus vastly more heavily-armed, than an MC90... 'pound-for-pound', an Ex can squash an MC90...

The trouble is, the average Ex is also massively manpower-intensive, requiring as many crewers and fighter pilots as an entire fleet of smaller ships; this can be used to rationalize why SSDs often fail to press their 'weight advantage: it's nigh-impossible to give such a vast ship a crew of above adequate competence - and even when you do, they're still vulnerable to close-range attack, as the Executor discovered in RotJ...

- The Imperial Ewok

 

The trouble is, the average Ex is also massively manpower-intensive.

And he is, isn't he?

 

Ah, thanks for correcting me. I had forgotten about the Darksaber battle (I try not to think of Darksaber too much )

 

well im retaining the numbers of weapons an executor star destroyer carries to its original number sinces in the books it never actually says how much weapons the other executor star destroyers had. so its better to use the original number of weapons. although the imperials might have upgraded the executors star destroyers to carry more weapons in the book i'm not sure.

anyways yes the correct term for theese kinda ships are "Executor class star destroyer" and NOT "super star destroyer" since obviously the first ship of the class was named the Executor and NOT the Super.

Super star destroyer is just a slang for the rebels/new republic, and it is indeed the wrong way to name this class of ship.

 

Should that not be Executor-class Star Dreadnought?

 

Actually no. The correct name for that class of Star Destroyer is Super-class. The Executor was the name of Vader's flagship, not the product as a whole. 2 reasons I know this:

1) In the Guide to Vehicles and Vessels, it states that the Executor is a Super-class Star Destroyer.
2) The Lusankya was commisioned and built at the same time as the Executor; so if the first ship was the one that named the ship class, why would they pick Executor instead of Lusankya?

 

Yes, EGVV calls it a Super Star Destroyer. It was the Super-class of its name, at that time.

There are also Exec-, Eclipse- and Soveriegn-class SSDs.

For the Bantam books, Exec- and Super-class were simply used interchangeably. Shield of Lies called it Exec-class SSD.

Why they suddenly called it Star Dreadnought and five folded its guns I don't know. Can you see a behemoth with 5000 guns taken out even by luck at Endor?

 

I could swear they called it a Super-class ...

Ech I'll check it when I go home and have the book in front of me. You're probably right though; I was going off memory.

 

Actually no. The correct name for that class of Star Destroyer is Super-class. The Executor was the name of Vader's flagship, not the product as a whole. 2 reasons I know this:

1) In the Guide to Vehicles and Vessels, it states that the Executor is a Super-class Star Destroyer.
2) The Lusankya was commisioned and built at the same time as the Executor; so if the first ship was the one that named the ship class, why would they pick Executor instead of Lusankya?


Inside the World of the Star Wars Trilogy contradicts your information. It is an Executor-class Star Dreadnought.

 

Besides, just say that phrase. "Super Class". Sounds pretty lame, now don't it? Executor has been well documented as the first ship of her class, which therefore should be known as an Executor class Star Destroyer/Drednought (don't care one way or another on that issue).

 

o god! the 05er doesnt know what he has unleased... EDIT OUT THE SUPER STAR DESTROYER LENGH!

 

yes 17,600 metres is the correct lenght.

and first of all just because i recently registerd does not mean im a NEWBIE to the science fiction universe of STAR WARS.

Super Star Destroyers:
History of the "five mile" fallacy.
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1979?:
At some point in the development of The Empire Strikes Back it was decided that Lord Vader would have a distinctive flagship representing an elite class. At first it was thought that Executor would be another kind of destroyer, with advanced engine systems making it an exceptionally fast vessel. Instead, later concepts were upgraded to a battleship scale, so that impressive size, not speed, became the emphasis. Unfortunately, some (but by no means all) of the later spin-off literature overlooked the size upgrade, retaining the obselete and incorrect "destroyer" label.


1980:
The Empire Strikes Back Official Poster Monthly of 1980 makes a loose statement regarding the size of the Executor.

... but none is as vast or as ominous as the Dark Lord's personal space ship, the Executor. Larger and stronger than five ordinary Star Destroyers Vader's craft is so enormous that its topside resembles a metropolitian skyline in size and shape. Here the Lord of the Sith broods and commands...
Strictly and logically, this statement only states that the Executor is larger than an ISD, and that it is more than five times as powerful. It does not specify the length as being exactly five times the length of the ISD, only that it is greater than the ISD. Later references based on this source seem to have taken a wilder interpretation than what is logically justifiable.

There are two theories about the origins of the ambiguous statement above. The first is that the "five" actually refers to the number of star destroyers attending the Executor in Lord Vader's taskforce. The second theory is that one of the earlier design concepts for the Executor really was five miles long, and somehow this old data was misapplied to the larger, final version.

At one stage, Kenner considered including an item based on the Executor in their toy line. The developers considered the ship's true name too scary for children, so they invented the "super star destroyer" label. This term is insensitive to realistic naval terminology, unlike the more intelligent "battlecruiser" and "battleship" designations used in Williamson's STAR WARS newspaper comic strip.


1983:
Return of the Jedi includes the Executor in many shots, and the scaling relative to other vessels is consistent with The Empire Strikes Back. It is approximately eleven times the length of a star destroyer.

Executor is repeatedly referred to as a "commandship" or "command ship", not a destroyer. The only exception is one utterance of "super star destroyer" by Admiral Ackbar, but this is excuseable because: Ackbar was not speaking in his native tongue; he probably only knows the rebel slang name for such ships; he was speaking in the heat of battle; and his line was a late and hasty addition to the movie anyhow (it missed inclusion in the novel).


1984:
The first edition of A Guide to the STAR WARS Universe, published in the year following the release of Return of the Jedi says:

Lord Darth Vader's personal flagship; classified as a Super Star Destroyer --- approximately five times larger and more destructive than any Star Destroyer in the Imperial Fleet. Executor represents the best and newest vessel available in the Imperial inventory. Like most ships in its class, Executor is used as a command ship, a spacegoing headquarters...
Also note that this is the first time that "super star destroyer" is treated as if it were a formal classification, rather than a colloquialism. This myth grew in parallel with the length error.


1987:
For the tenth anniversary of A New Hope, STAR WARS: The Roleplaying Game was released. The SWRPG laid down most of the groundwork for future fiction, fleshing out the galaxy glimpsed on film into the framework for a

 

Actually, this does pose some interesting questions.

At the Battle of Endor, how many Mon Calamari Cruisers were there? If I were Piett, I'd whack Home One with all I got, yet Home One somehow.. survived?

But, I'd place my bets on the Star Dreadnought.

 

If anyone wants to wander over to the Capital Ship thread and take a look at the Compendium that myself and other Fleet Junkies have been working on, they may find a solution that is satisfactory to them.

We postulate that, in addition to the one-off behemoths such as the Vengeance, the Eclipse and the Sovereign, there were two distinct SSD classes:
- the Superior-class Star Destroyer (8000m)
- the Executor-class Star Dreadnought (17600m)

We suggest that the HIMS Executor and HIMS Lusankya were of this latter class, while the others such as the HIMS Iron Fist, HIMS Guardian and the HIMS Knight Hammer were of the former. The 8km Superior has the 1000-emplacement loadout detailed in the WEG sourcebooks, while the 17.6km Executor possesses the 5000-emplacement loadout put forward by ITW. While in no way official, this is preferable to trying to in some way explain how an MC80b was able to stand up to an Executor-class Star Dreadnought.

Thoughts?

 

At the Battle of Endor, how many Mon Calamari Cruisers were there? If I were Piett, I'd whack Home One with all I got, yet Home One somehow.. survived?

Anonymous Imperial Commander type guy: "We're not going to attack?"
Piett: "I have my orders from the Emperor himself. He has something special planned. We only need to keep them from escaping."