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Most dangerous Lightsaber technique? Single Saber, Dual Sabers or Saber Staff?

Discussion in 'Star Wars Community' started by one-jedi, Dec 27, 2003.

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  1. one-jedi

    one-jedi Jedi Youngling star 1

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    From the styles we have seen in the Star Wars films (not counting Dooku's) which do you think is potentialy the most dangerous style out of the popular Single Saber, Dual Sabers or Saber Staff. I'm not just going on what we have seen in the films (i.e we only really see Anakin use Dual Sabers and he doens't do we with them so they can't be that good) but what thier potential could be in the circumstances that someone could master each style?

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  2. MerryChristmas-Lan

    MerryChristmas-Lan Jedi Youngling star 1

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    Depends on the user

    for me it's dual


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  3. VadersLaMent

    VadersLaMent Chosen One star 10

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    Maul's saberstaff is flashy, and you would have to be good to wield it properly.

    Using duel sabers would give the most advantages. Even with a saberstaff you can only hit with one end at a time. If I swipe to you head with one saber then at your legs with another you are going to be constantly on the defensive against me. And of course, if you lose one in the duel you still have another.

    Ever see someone use a real staff? It is a lightning quick display when done well. Instead of a staff like Maul's it might be more effective to have a saber with a longer hilt, say 3 feet long with a saber blade coming out of one end instead of both. Reach will be you advantage along with lightning fast stabbing motions.

    Still, one saber is simple, and simple can be better.

     
  4. DanakinSkywalker

    DanakinSkywalker Jedi Padawan star 4

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    First of all, it's a double-sided lightsaber, not a saberstaff (The weapon of a staff should be able to be held from more than just the center position, thus it is not a staff).

    And yes, it depends on the user. Those that are ambidextrous can use two sabers with ease and also a double-sided saber.

    Personally, I find using two sabers much more difficult than a double.
     
  5. JediMasterGuff

    JediMasterGuff Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    It depends on the user, but personally, despite Anakin's crappy performance, I believe dual sabers are more effective against Maul's double bladed saber.
     
  6. Galak-Khan

    Galak-Khan Jedi Youngling star 1

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    Why are we excluding Dooku's style, it blatantly is a brilliant one, all flowing and fast and precise.

    In the absence of that one as a technique, I choose double-sided saber/saber'staff', since it really is pretty deadly. Obi Wan only beats Maul because of his unexpected leap from the pit.

    As far as Maul is concerned Obi is unarmed, and about to fall. He is simply caught unawares, and unprepared for Obi's counterattack. In the hands of a better trained man, the double-sided lightsaber would be awesomely deadly.
     
  7. DanakinSkywalker

    DanakinSkywalker Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Dooku's style is just Form II of the regular single bladed technique.
     
  8. JansonYellowAces

    JansonYellowAces Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Mastery over the force is more deadly then any form of lightsaber combat ever invented.

    If you include Dooku's Form II, don't forget Windu's Form VII Vaapad, which is equally, if not more, deadly.
     
  9. EMPEROR_WINDU

    EMPEROR_WINDU Force Ghost star 5

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    Form VII with dual sabres is probably the ultimate fighting technique...so fast with so many angles of attack...the opposition will be completely overwhelmed, even a jedi wth dooku's quickness and agility
     
  10. DarthDrew

    DarthDrew Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    This brings up a different discussion. Are sabre blade lengths typically adjustable? I was watching Ep II earlier today and noticed that there were several people around OB1 when he cut off Zam's arm. Seems to me the blade would have to be short not to cut a few other people into ribbons at the same time.
     
  11. OBIX1

    OBIX1 Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    This brings up a different discussion. Are sabre blade lengths typically adjustable? I was watching Ep II earlier today and noticed that there were several people around OB1 when he cut off Zam's arm. Seems to me the blade would have to be short not to cut a few other people into ribbons at the same time.

    Yeah,most Jedi have adjusable blades.It comes from putting 2 or 3 cyrstals in the blade.One of them is fixed and the other 1 or 2 rotate (when they turn a knob on the hilt) to adjust it.A few Jedi do have single crystal sabers,though it's not as commen. :)

    Also,I think dual sabers would be the most dangerous,Becuase you'de have to keep both of them under control at once. :)
     
  12. one-jedi

    one-jedi Jedi Youngling star 1

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    I thought that most jedi only had one crystal and a few had two or three?

    Anyway when it comes to fighting styles there are a lot of things to consider. While Dual Sabers may be the ultimate there are quite a few things to consider. First of all is power, attacking only using one arm means your attack is going to be significantly weaker. Now the lightsaber is such a powerful weapon being so light and deadly to touch if you make contac with somone then this is not a problem but it could be major one when it comes to somone using a single saber blocking your attacks or attacking you. If someone using a single saber was to sucsesfully parry one of your attacks with significant power you could find you saber being knockedf out of your hand or even just sending your arm flying back because of the force leaving you open to a killing blow. The same goes for defense. If somone with a single saber was able to initiate ne of thier strongest attacks iy might go right through your one handed defence.

    Also using dual saber would have a weakness in that a lot of your attacks would come from the sides leaving your middle body open. with dual sabers you could attack from the centre but this would take away a lot of the advantages dual sabers give you. To compensate this you could take a sideways stance but again this would effectivly take away the major advantage of succssfully being able to attack two places at once.

    Also you shouldn't underestimate the possibly usefulness of haing a hand free at moments notice to grap punch or block, Qui-Gon found this useful knocking Maul off the platform.

    If you look back at history there aren't to many cases od two swrds being used at once, althougth there are some. There is a reason for this althougth a lot of them are to do with armour, weight of weapon etc but not all.

    Of course there are many advantages to Dual Sabers but there are many weakness to. Maybe theres a reason so far in the films no sith, who are meant to be aggresive use dual sabers.
     
  13. EMPEROR_WINDU

    EMPEROR_WINDU Force Ghost star 5

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    defenses can be bolstered using th force, its not all physical...and if you read the AOTC novel. anakin had the upperhand against dooku using dual sabres, until dooku went and broke the green one
     
  14. -General_Kenobi-

    -General_Kenobi- Jedi Youngling star 2

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    And there comes the problem: Dooku was able to cut one of Anakin's lightsabers. I believe he might as well have sliced Anakin's hand off, but since everything had to be flashy that didn't happen. Should the Dual Sabers be that good, Anakin would not have lost one. Not to mention that Anakin's on screen sequence with the lightsaber does not portray how Dual one handed swords are used, but who cares; SW was not forged by the boundaries of reality. I believe the most dangerous lightsaber technique is Maul's lightsaber; dangerous for him and his opponents. The most useful technique is something else.
     
  15. one-jedi

    one-jedi Jedi Youngling star 1

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    Well the book is just another interpretation of the same story tho isn't it but in the movie it seems as tho Dooku has no problem when anakin uses the dual sabers.

    Yes, using the force could be used to bolster the strength of attacks and defense but then this is also giving a disadvantage to the Jedi using dual sabers as it means they have something else to conentrate and focus on, it makes things more complicated which could be a deciding factor in a duel.

    I'm not saying that dual sabers aren't the most dangerous just that it brings a number of disadvantages. In fact I think it ould be the most dangerous but a jedi would have to be specificly trained in dual saber technique, which i'm sure would includ techniques to counter balance any weaknesses, e.g as mentioned earlier a very strong attack from a single saber could be succesfully blcoked by using the dual baldes to block high and low (at the top and bottom of the attacking lightsaber). As people have said there are many advantages, attacking two places at once, using the second blade to support the first blade techinque. ligthing fast attacks, potentialy being able to defend a strike and attack at the same time
     
  16. DarthDrew

    DarthDrew Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    but in the movie it seems as tho Dooku has no problem when anakin uses the dual sabers

    Well, yes, that's true. Consider, though, that Dooku is a Anakin's masters masters master. He's got experience with the sabre coming out every pore of his body. It may be that dual sabres or double sabres or even a double-ended sabre are more dangerous than a single, but nothing is more dangerous than pure experience and skill.

    OB1 knew that Anni was overmatched when he went into the fight. That's why he tossed Anni the second sabre to give him a chance against Dooku.
     
  17. one-jedi

    one-jedi Jedi Youngling star 1

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    Good point DarthDrew about Obi-Wan throwing his lightsaber to Anakin, I guess there did have to be some logic behind it.
     
  18. EMPEROR_WINDU

    EMPEROR_WINDU Force Ghost star 5

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    good points all around!
     
  19. one-jedi

    one-jedi Jedi Youngling star 1

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    So what do you think EMPEROR_WINDU?
     
  20. EMPEROR_WINDU

    EMPEROR_WINDU Force Ghost star 5

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    happy new year everyone! just got home! but i think dual sabres are the best because if you can control them and master using them, then you just have so many more angles of attack and you can overwhelm the opponent, of course there are drawbacks, but there are drawbacks to the other two ways as well
     
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