Nas Choka, Tsavong Lah, and Shimmra- another question...

Which one of these is the actual ruler of the Vong, and out of the other two, who has the highest amountof authority? I could never figure that out.

 

Shimrra is the Supreme Overlord and rules the entire Yuuzhan Vong.

Pre Destiny's Way Tsavong Lah was the Warmaster, head of the Warrior Sect, while Nas Choka was one of his supreme commanders.

Now Lah is dead Nas Choka is the warmaster.

 

Ah, thank you. I haven't read Destiny's Way yet, and probably won't for some time. The NJO has gotten too hard to keep track of.

 

Has Nas Choka made an appearance at all in the latest books? I remember reading at the end of DW that he had taken over for Lah, but I don't think he's been in any scenes since then.

 

about Nas Choka:
All that's been said is that he was recalled from(now subdued) hutt space. He's the new Warmaster.

 

Come on, it's clear Shimrra's a pupet.

 

onimi is the real ruler

 

In DW dont you read that the Supreme Commander Dies? Could this be Nas Choka?

 

The attack either killed a different Supreme Commander, or killed only a decoy. Either way, Nas Choka is alive and well.

 

The Supreme Commander killed in DW was Komm Karsh.

 

I'm not saying Onimi is or isn't the real ruler

I'm just wondering why everyone seems so convinced that he is

 

It's amusing to speculate that Onimi is in fact the ruler. Who would ever attempt to overthrow a jester? Also, at the end of one of the books (I believe DW in fact) Shimmra says and acts less than impressive around Onimi. Naturally, it could be argued that no one needs to act imposing to a jester, but Onimi does seem like a very crafty character.

He did, after all, insult Tsavong Lah to his face. Most Yuuzhan Vong that do that end up very dead.

 

there's beeen sevral weird idea about onimi... He's shamed which would seem a strange choice for the overlord to tolerate for no apparent reason. He's given quite a bit of freedom, insulting leaders and very nearly defying the overlords orders to stop. He's certainly privy to all information, from the war effort to the forging of the 8th cortex. The fact that he has this information suggest he's above suspiscion and may even be giving advice to the overlord if not outright telling him what to do.


Another one that I heard someone way was that perhaps onimi is Shimara's twin that was supposed to have died before they left their galaxy.

A third one that I've heard is that one or the other Shimara or onimi is force sensitive...

 

There are several (how many??? Few? Not so Few??) Supreme Commanders within the Yuuzhan Vong Warrior Caste. Following Tsavong Lah's death, Nas Choka was escalated to Warmaster amongst them. "Why" Nas Choka - well this has not been made "entirely" clear to my memory - however, Nas Choka's campaigns in Hutt Space have been highly successful . . . so that "might be" at least one factor in his escalation to Warmaster.

The other "Warmaster candidates" in addition to Nas Choka??? - I don't recall this being mentioned - but perhaps I missed something. (Did I miss something???)

Ana V

 

So pre DW there was 3 Supreme commanders?

Komm Karsh
Nas Choka
Maal Lah(sp)?

 

The Onimi stuff is interesting, but to me is no more grounded than if Salacious Crumb was the real one calling the shots on Tatooine.

Onimi is a "familiar" a fancy word for pet. But unlike most pets he can think and has a sense of humor. That's as far as it goes.

But I will say that if Onimi is the actual ruler, I wouldn't be disappointe din the slightest.

 

What does Onimi look like anyway? Every time I try to picture him all I can think of is Salacious Crumb.

 

I picture him as an oversized salacious crumb wearing taters of NR military uniforms.

 

So pre DW there was 3 Supreme commanders?

Komm Karsh
Nas Choka
Maal Lah(sp)?

And potentially Gukander Huath. His true rank was never elaborated upon beyond 'warleader' which isn't an actual rank, but rather an adjective. Since Tsavong Lah suggested that he might make a good warmaster (in the event of his own death or failure), it is safe to assume he was of high rank, but not necessarily a supreme commander.

 

What was Shedao Shai?

 

I'd always assumed that Shedao Shai was the first supreme commander. At the very least he was the commander of the second invasion wave.

 

Shai was a commander.

 

Gukander Huath? what book was he from?

 

Vector Prime
Prefect Da'Gara
Executor Nom Anor

Dark tide Duology
Commander Shedao Shai

Agents of Chaos Duology
Harrar
Supreme Commander Nas Choka

Balance point
Warmaster Tsavong Lah

Edge of Victory duology
(argh haven't read these yet )

Star by Star
Warmaster Tsavong Lah
Executor Nom Anor
Vergere

Dark Journey
Harrar
Commander Khalee Lah

Enemy lines Duology
Commander Czulkang Lah

Traitor
Vergere
Gh'Gang Hool
Executor Nom Anor

Destiny's way
Warmaster Tsavong Lah
Supreme Overlord Shimrra
Executor Nom Anor



Those are the main Vong in each book and so by making assumptions

Most influential Vong are (pre-DW):

Tsavong Lah
Nom Anor
Harrar
Vergere
Shimrra

 

Gukander Huath was suggested by Tsavong Lah in Rebel Stand as a candidate for the next Warmaster position to get a reaction from the shaper that was infecting his arm. He was known for his support for Yun-Yammka and Yun-Harla's priests, but indifferent to the Order of Yun-Yuuzhan.