Nihilus possibly still alive?

"Lord Nihilus, you escaped death by containing your consciousness within your armor. How?!"
?Darth Krayt

Now what armor does he refer to? Nihilus's possesions went with whatever was left of him in the explosion that destroyed the Ravager. His body dissolved in a red lightning leaving nothing behind. All that was left was his mask, which interestingly enough was taken by The Exile. Now if Krayt is right in this scene, could it mean that Nihilus was embodied in his mask?

My theory is that Nihilus is not a person, but is the mask. That the mask is far older than the person who wore it. It's possible a Sith embodied his spirit into the mask to immortalize himself, taking over whoever was unfortunate to try to wear it. Nihilus would entice a potential victim with the promise of power, only to provide an unquenchable hunger. What are your theories concerning this? Possible?

 

Nihilus is the Mask?

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Interesting theory But I'd be willing to bet Krayt is referring to Nihilus's death prior to the Exile killing him.

 

Yeah, Nihilus died, but kept himself alive by keeping his essence in his armor. Then he fought the Exile, and the exile defeated him, and that red lightning was his essence leaving.

 

I think it's safe to say that Nihilus similar to Scion in the fact that the force (And perhaps in his case, aided by the armor) was holding a wrecked body together. It does seem odd to me that the Exile was able to physically slay him while she was unable to do the same to Scion. Both of them are a little over the top for my tastes but not enough to make me dislike the game.

Carnage

 

And let's not forget Nihilus is shown dead in Legacy as a Sith ghost. Not that it means he died right then, but he had to eventually.

 

Well that scene is kind of ambiguous, what with the whole holocron thing...

 

Some comments about the mask for those who haven't played the game.

You get the mask only if you tell Visas to bring it to you. Otherwise, it dissipates with the rest of his body (and clothes). You can't put the mask on, it's an artifact that stays in your inventory and gives you bonus Force points.

 

I'm curious as to why it's specifically said to be "armour" when Nihilus was never shown wearing armour... I suppose he could have been wearing it underneath his clothes, but still - kinda odd to make that distinction when I'd have thought "robes" would make more sense.

 

It could be a non-physical armour, I suppose...a permanent Force shield or something...

 

I remember when I first played the game I thought he was Revan, turned to the Darkside again, when Visas said he was a man. I played it again having Revan as a female and she still said he was a man, nothing more. I guess that answered that, not that anybody asked. I wouldn't doubt if the 3 main Sith from that game play a part in the comics, one way or another. But I believe that death was prior to the game, considering the oddness of the way his body evaporated.

 

Hmm.....all of this sounds very.....Anubis-y

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She slew him because she destroyed his armor, presumably.

 

I asked Tasty Taste one time and he said it hadden't been confirmed. He could be though because someplace I read that he kept his conciousness alive in his mask and in KOTOR2 you can take it from his dead body.
And just to clear things up, in Legacy #5 Darth Nihlus, Andeddu and Bane were Holocron holograms. Not Force Ghosts!
JN

 

That is one thing that always bothered me... If they're just holograms, how did they make Krayt's armor turn on him?

 

Who knows? But it enhances the story so it does't need an explanation.
JN

 

Meh, that's a silly way of thinking. If it doesn't make sense, it detracts from the story.

The Sith seem to often be fairly closely tied to their holocrons, blurring the line between hologram and spirit. It's interesting.

 

It seems to me like the Holocrons come to life when they are in Sith tombs of Korriban. Atleast, that's how I am going to explain their actions in Legacy.

 

It seems that Sith holocrons have a power of their own. If you decide to leave Atris to the Sith holocrons in KOTOR II, she gets pretty worried, as if the holocrons have the capability of doing something horrible to her. They're more than just records, apparently.

As for Nihilus, I just assumed Krayt is referring to his time after Malachor V. The Mass Shadow Generator should have killed him like everyone else but somehow, using some unexplained and seemingly unique technique, he didn't.

 

Wasn't holocrons retconed to have been invented by the rakata? since their tech is force sensitive, that would account for the mysterious powers of the holocrons.

 

I always felt that the Legacy Holograms were simply "Letting the Pretender's Fear" turn against him. Krayt showed up generally feeling pretty good about himself. His New Sith Order was in charge of the galaxy again. He was a success story. The ancient Sith would surely give them their knowledge now (I am under the impression that they had denied him before with the "So the Would be Sith returns" quote) that he proved himself. Unfortunately the Bane holocron is still not impressed because he has not followed Bane's rule of two. It is clear that these Holocrons are not going to help Krayt. He has worked this hard and come this far only to fail. Suddenly he is not feeling as confident and Sithly and has a moment of weakness that allows the armor to take over. Fear leads to hate, hate leads to anger....and Darth Krayt regains control of himself and the armor.

Holocrons are essentially very "Intelligent" substitute teachers. Even the Jedi Holocrons have been known to show the ability to adapt to a situation. Ood Gnar's holocron that is shown to Nomi Sunrider by Master Thon has the avatar of Gnar pointing at Nomi and stating "This Jedi will play an important part in battles to come. Truly she is a luminous being." Reven's holocron that Bane gives a final lesson to Bane that seems to be tailor made for the situation.

In short, I don't think that the Bane/Nihilus/Andeddu Holocrons were anything but images. No Sith spirits hanging on or anything like that.

Carnage

 

Actually, the chain is: fear, anger, hate, suffering. I thought that it would be quite hard to forget after the Days/Knights thing.

 

I doubt that he is still alive. However, I wonder if the Disciples of Ragnos ever started up again after Korr and Katarn shut them down..

 

Well, didn't Ragnos himself pretty much get done away with? I imagine they could always put together a new jolly band of Force users and rally behind a different Sith Lord each time the one they followed got pwnd. Disciples of Andeddu, anyone?

 

They destroyed his spirit, or the artifact that kept his anchored in the world of the living anyways. Those ancient Sith are pretty tricky. He may be completely gone, but I don't know for sure..