No sympathy for vader

No matter what people say, I can never feel for vader when he's burning. He did all this in the name of love but isn't compassion supposed to be part of love. It didn't seem like he showed any compassion to those little younglings or the Defenseless seperatists.

 

The tragedy of Anakin Skywalker is that he thought he was doing the right thing, and when he lost everything he fought for he turned away from humanity because it was too painfull. The Dark Side consumed him, numbing his pain. He couldn't turn away from the dark, because if he did...he would have felt all of the regret, and pain, and suffering...and he just couldn't face that.
Instead of looking back, he just continued on the dark path, and the more he was in the dark the harder it was to see the light. It is a horrible cycle.
But love saved him, and at the end he was brought back to the light.
We can't just condem Vader for being this horrible monster, and we can't feel to much sorrow for Anakin either...that is the complexety of this character. A character Star Wars fans love, and love to hate, and love some more.

 

There is always some room for sympathy at seeing someone who at one point was so innocent and looked at things with awe and a genuine concern to help others be misled. Anakkin had shortcomings like everyone and had them used against him. Was he at fault and wrong for his choices? Yes. Was he responible? Of course. The tragedy is that most of the people he hurt or killed were close to him at one point. So while it is easy to be sad for Luke, Leia, Padme and Obi-Wan because they lost something. They were collectively lost to himself. They had each other, He left himself with none of thier comfort.

 

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well...Darth Vader thaught he was doing the right thing.. just to realize it was HE who killed her....and why she died... poor Vader. show some sympathy!

 

I love Anakin/Darth Vader, why? Because he sacrificed his life to save his son. It shows me that Anakin still had love in his heart, love for his son. Notice in The Empire Strikes Back he could not kill Luke, yeah I know he cut off his hand but notice how he wanted to test the carbonite freezing on Solo after Lando said it could kill Luke. He loved him even then. I like Darth Vader now more than I did before the prequels came out, because now it shows me he wasn't the monster after all, it was Palpatine.

 

PALAPATINE!!! HE TURNED HIM!! ALL HIS FAULT!!! VADER IS REALLY THE VICTIM! NOT THE VILLIAN!!!

 

Exactly! Vader was brainwashed

 

Dude, It's like showing sympathy to a demented mass murderer who killed like 500 people he didn't care about and try to save a person, his wife. Even his wife would get disgusted

 

she didn't realize how much he cared to go into somethign HE FEARED to SAVE HER!! HE WAS AFRAID OF THE DARK! DID YOU SEE WHAT HAPPENED WHEN PALPY TOLD HIM? HE DREW HIS SABRE!!!

 

His wife knew he killed children and innocent people yet in the end still saw the good in him.

 

I am glad that SW is a story about grace. Personally, I believe anyone can be redeemed, so I appreciate what Lucas did with Anakin's story.

But to give the author of this thread credit, the tradgy of SW is not the tradgy of Anakin. Anakin is not a tradgy. He made clear choices. The tradgy is for those who died because of it.

 

I more pity the fool than hate him now, but the hatred is rekindled every time I watch his (implied) slaughter of the younglings. That was unforgivable. But he is to be pitied, rather than hated.

As for his loving Padme, his nearly killing her convinced me otherwise. The Darkness consumed it all.

 

With all due respect Lucas says the saga is the story of the tradgedy and redeption of Anakin

 

Anakin/Vader chose his path, and followed it. Plain and simple.

As for Padme and him... Well... the reason he hurt Padme is because he thought she had brought Obi-wan to kill him...

The Jedi Temple incedent... that one is unforgiveable...

But you can't blame him... all he wanted to do was save Padme... Palpatine/Sidious decieved him.

^The Darkside works like that.^

 

You'd think that Anakin would notice that he is being deceived. In the beginning Palpatine tells Anakin that Dooku was too dangerous to be kept alive because he was a Sith lord. Knowing that when Sidious revealed who he was you'd think that he'd realize he'd been duped

 

PALAPATINE!!! HE TURNED HIM!! ALL HIS FAULT!!! VADER IS REALLY THE VICTIM! NOT THE VILLIAN!!!

^ I agree.

 

You'd think that Anakin would notice that he is being deceived. In the beginning Palpatine tells Anakin that Dooku was too dangerous to be kept alive because he was a Sith lord. Knowing that when Sidious revealed who he was you'd think that he'd realize he'd been duped

^^The Dark Side clouds everything. And Palpy is a genious, works 3 steps ahead of everyone.

As for Anakin, I feel for him and his tragedy, I'm glad he saw the truth at the end and fulfiled the prophecy.
But I feel more for Obi-Wan and Padme because they were betrayed by the one person they loved most. IT'S ALL SO SAD

 

My theory on the Anakin turn is that he was being let down by all those close to him. Padme was sounding like a Sepratist. The Jedi were asking him to spy. Mace wanted to kill a defenseless man and the only one he trusted through it all cared about him was Palpatine. The second Palpatine throws Mace from the window it is clear to Anakin he was used again. From that point on he doesn't listen to anyone. He decides he is the chosen one and will use the Emperor for the secret to saving Padme and then kill him as he later tells both Padme and Luke of his plans.

 

Like someone said he's the victim,period. Yes the Jedi Temple slaughter is unforgivable, but in the end he was redeemed, pure and simple. And even through all his atrocities Luke still loved him Padme still loved him after he killed innocents and choked her, in the end people still had hope for him.

 

as far as i'm concerned he was misconcieved, and twisted by LIES!!! aLL LIES!! Palpatine knew he would make the ultimate sith because he was a great Jedi. Palpatine is selfish and rude. Vader was misconceived all by lies. and as Obi_wan said.."you have allowed this dark lord to twist your mind, till..." it was all a trick. and he started luring him in not too logn after that vision. he kNEW what was giving him issues and plucked at it and plucked at it till Anakin finnaly snapped.

MAY DARTH VADER REST IN PEACE AMONG THE FORCE!

 

well said zelda!

 

*bows* thank you.

Vader is one...okay.. my favorite character. I can't EVEN WATCH the lava scene...I can tell you.. he wasn't the Villian.. he was the vitim of the Villian...Palpatine. There was always good there. I say, in a way...There was no Vader. there was always a little piece of Anakin left down deep somewhere.

 

yep, and when anakin becomes the most obvious is when he's around luke. He may have chopped off his hand, but did he kill him? nope, he couldn't Anakin was saying " no, he's my son I can't kill him"

 

Well, duh. You can't turn a dead guy to the Dark Side, now can you? He obviously thought Luke would die at the end of the fall. I would, too.

Anakin died. He became Vader. I accept Obi-Wan's initial explanation.