No trust between Anakin and the Jedi.

Did anakin ever trust the Jedi and did the Jedi actually trust him back.
We know Kenobi trusted Anakin with his life as he said in ROTS.
I don't think anakin really did trust the jedi for one reason: he did not think they trusted him.
Mace even said, "I don't trust him."
Also when anakin blames obi from taking padme from him, he doesn't believe he has lost her.
When anakin is a robot/human, he still asks Palps if Padme is still here.
Was there ever any trust that lasted between Anakin and the council?

 

Like Padme says "Obi Wan and Council don't trust me." "They trust you with their lives."
And yes the jedi DO trust Anakin because he is the "Chosen one." Anakin is also known with "The hero with no fear." but when he brought the clones over to raid the jedi temple they changed their minds. But in their heart the Jedi still believes that their is still good in Anakin and he will fulfill his destiny.

 

But mace has never trusted anakin fully.
In the book, it ways he has never trusted anakin

 

Mace Windu trusts Anakin but he has a doubt that Anakin will change.

 

mace and the rest of the council have always been weary of anakin. they knew the potential for arrogance and pride was there, and they knew it would bring him into conflict with them at some point in the future. but being weary of someone is not the same as not trusting them.


in episode two, they are aware oh his flaws, but trust in him to do the right thing. afterall, they give a mission of extreme importance (protecting senator amidala) even aftet his master has expressed extreme concern for his attitude.

by episode 3, he has grown fond of, and close to palpatine, who the council suspects of striving for a dictatorship. they also sense he his hiding things, and combined with the fact that he throws a little fit in their chambers, its enough to question his maturity.

mace no longer tursts anakin to make the right decision in a critical situation because of his confusion, and conflicting loyalties...and thats exactly what happens.

 

Not the way i think of it.
First, he along with the whole council has said that it was too risky to teach anakin the jedi ways.
I bet he was steamed up there and i knew that there would be conflicts later on involving mace and anakin.
Secondly, he has said to obi wan, " i don't trust him." that's directly from the horse's mouth.
Finally, Mace did not let anakin come with him to confront palpatine. If he really trusted him, he would've taken him with him. also, mace says, "If you trust me, you will stay here" but anakin doesnt.

 

But still Mace Windu has in his heart "trust for anakin" but not for long. There is trust here but eventually it will be broken. I don't care what mace or the Council says. In their heart they have a feeling.

 

It may be there, but it doesn't show...

 

Yeah i agree but here i'll give an example. Imagine someone specifically a best friend that you always be around with. You trust him and he trusts you. But gradually he starts to not be your friend. And at times you don't hang around with each other. You meet each other ans talk and whatnot. You still have a feeling in your heart that you trust him even though for all the wrong things he had done. But there's a way that he will be your worst enemy. So yeah Mace Windu and the jedi DO trust Anakin. But like you said it doesn't show and/or do they depend on him.

 

But anakin necessarily do anything wrong.
Yes he did break the jedi code but all he did was love padme
He didn't do anything wrong to Mace or the council.
Comparing jedi to humans is not going to come out like you want it.

 

what the hell was that? jebus man I know i write some jumbly goop but that was horrendous. Anyways cutting off someone's hand is pretty horrible as Anakin did to Mace.

 

But still i hope you know what I mean. They still trust Anakin with all their heart and lives! Is it that hard to understand?! Just lock this pointless thread! I don't care if The Jedi or Mace Windu says "I don't him." But he still does!

 

"anakin go with the senator to her home planet of naboo, shell be safer there. and dont use registered...."


"the boy has exceptional skill"

mace, in episode 2, trusted anakin enough for an important mission. he even had faith in the boy's skills, in light of his arrogance.


but by episode 3, mace has lost the faith so to speak. he can sense anakin's conflicting loyalties, and he doesnt understand why they are there in the first place. afterall, anakin shouldnt be loyal to any one senator, andy one politican, especially one who is becoming a dictator. combine that with the fact that anakin has thrown a temper tantrum, and he is hiding things, its enough for mace to question the boy's rational.

 

Exactly.
In ep 2 he was like "your padawan is the only one who can stop the darkside" and all that.

In Ep 3 he was like "I don't trust him"

Its hard to trust someone like that who is in fact very close to two senators: one a dictator and one being his wife

 

No It's not hard. You may think it's hard in your mind but it's not. You can overcome that feeling. Anakin is well trusted by Mace Windu and the Jedi. I don't care what any of you say. There is still trust even Obi Wan trusts him. I don't care what any of the Jedi say about "Not trusting him." But that doesn't mean that what he says is true. This topic is pointless.

 

It's interesting what you point out as far as trust actually decaying in the time between AOTC and ROTS especially since Anakin was made a Knight during this time. I've said it before and i'll say it here again, the council screwed up royally when they didn't make sure that Shmi would be safe.

Go give Watto 50 bucks for her freedom or send a couple of Jedi to look over here and none of this would have happened. They should have known there was attachment. The human element was already there. They couldn't just wish this away.

Why do I bring this up? Because as long as Anakin felt he should have been there for her and prevented her death he would always carry that guilt. He knew he was taken away by the Jedi because they had a use for him, and he felt his mother paid the price for this. Now when an opportunity came up for him to redeem himself with Padme and all they told him was to let go again, he lost his trust in them

 

Anakin trusted the Jedi clear up until he was told to spy on Palpatine. The Council had some trust issues based on his age and his attachments. But it wasn't until the Clone Wars were coming to an end that they began to lose faith in Anakin. All save for Obi-wan. Mace had issues because Anakin was too emotionally invested and quick tempered.

 

I know Obi still trusts him. I'm just not convinced that the whole council fully trusts them with their hearts.
They may have some trust but not enough.

 

I'm not a telepath. Why are you asking me of this? The Council still trusts Anakin including Mace but it wears off for a while. The students in the temple looked up to Anakin as a hero but when he brings the clones over they changed their mind. But in their heart they say "I know there is still good in him." How many times do i have to say this? See a psychic for this answer. or better yet see Saesee Tiin because he's a telepath. Oh wait. He's dead.

 

I thought Saesee Tiin was a pilot but anyway, the jedi did not trust anakin with their like they are supposed to.
The trust i think lasts until Anakin starts spying on palpatine. Yes the little jedi looked up to them as a hero, but they did not know him as well as the council. The council is armed with knowledge so they know if they should trust him ot not

 

There that's what i meant. Why all the debate when we can settle this peacefully. Well anyway here are some facts on Saesee Tiin:

"Saesee Tiin was a male Iktotchi Jedi Master and Jedi Council member during the Clone Wars. Master Tiin appears as a tall, brown skinned humanoid with long, inwardly curved horns on each side of his head. His grim appearance made him a very intimidating figure in the Jedi Order.

As a testament to his great skill, Tiin was given the title of Master even though he had never taken a Padawan. He possessed telepathic abilities and was a master pilot. The Force gave him the ability to navigate hyperspace jumps without the assistance of a navigational computer.

He participated in the Battle of Geonosis in 22 BBY, and was mistakenly reported as killed in the conflict?this error was later attributed to the confusion of wartime journalism.

Episode III Spoiler warning: Plot or ending details follow.
Saesee Tiin accompanied fellow Jedi Masters Kit Fisto, Agen Kolar and Mace Windu in the attempt to arrest Chancellor Palpatine. Master Tiin was unprepared for the sudden attack of the Sith Lord and was killed by a slash to the chest right after Master Kolar's death. He never even got a chance to swipe his lightsaber."

 

i agree with this, there was little trust. But consider the fact that Anakin played into this by breaking the code and marrying padme.

 

yeah. he really doesnt deverve the trust, IMO

 

what movie did you see? Mace was a large part of the reason Anakin turned to Palpatine.

 

Uh...The movie i saw was revenge of the sith..moron. I don't need to hear that pathetic ruse. No use for this topic. better of to be locked. If you want a debate..bring it on! I'm just getting warmed up!