Obi-Wan & Anakin Relationship in TCW: Brothers at last?

I'm talking about Anakin's and Obi-wan's relationship. You truly see how close they are at some points in time (1000 moon's episode jumps out at you). So when they show Obi chastising Anakin about going after R2 over completing the mission or sending a rescue mission after Plo, it's completely in character. So while you see Anakin and Obi-wan's relationship that of brother's at points. Anakin obviously can't trust Obi-wan with anything that breaks the jedi code, because he'd think that Obi-wan would turn him in to the council over it. Seeing as how many times Obi's scolded him for it so far in the series.

Thoughts?

 

I have to agree that one of the things missing from Clones and Sith was the relationship between Obi Wan and Anakin. Its a bit to loose in my opinion in TCW, but it helps.

 

Of course I'm happy to see more of these relationships.

I've always felt that the point about their relationship being underdeveloped in the PT is overblown. Look at the relationship between Han/Luke. How much screen time is really spent on developing Han and Luke's friendship after ANH? How much time do they spend together in ESB or ROTJ? Same with Luke and Leia. They're all just kind of pals. Is there really much more depth there than Obi-Wan and Anakin's relationship?

Obviously, I like Han Leia and Luke, and enjoy the expansion of their relationship in the novels, comics etc. But I don't sit around saying "finally, someone is fleshing out those underdeveloped Han/Luke and Luke/Leia relationships."

 

I believe the portrayal of Obi-Wan & Anakin's relationship in TCW is pretty consistant with what we see throughout the PT. Despite being close there's a huge gap between them; Obi-Wan's Jedi teachings get in the way closing that gap as shown in the AOTC novel...I LOVE the deleted scene of the Invisible Hand where they go through a power reactor of some once the they are out in the hallway & Anakin seals the entry with his lightsaber the conversation goes like this:

A: "The blast will brake the hall, this side is pressurized. "
OW: "Anakin, you still have much to learn...that will never hold!"
Anakin just looks at him like he's just waiting to prove him wrong- explosion happens & it does holds out...
OW: "Alright, I still have much to learn...let's go."

Even though the scene revolves around their skills...it wraps up the flaw in their relationsip nicely Obi-Wan NEVER knew Anakin as well as he belived...he still have much to learn about his brother...that's why I wish they'd kept it.

 

I agree that it's been handled well. They really do come across as brothers to me. There's a fair amount of humor between them but also from time to time, a certain coolness. I think the voice actors do a good job of making the characters sympathetic. Granted, I still haven't seen all the episodes, having only recently gotten into TCW, so I don't have a whole lot to go on.

 

Just going to amend the thread title to make it more clear what we're talking about in here.

 

Except that in context what Obi-Wan admitted to needing to learn more about is the relationship between fuel explosions, bulk-heads, and lightsaber welding.

Did Obi-Wan not know major aspects of Anakin? Possibly. For example, maybe he didn't know about Padme. Maybe he did.

I don't see it being a matter of his Jedi teaching getting in the way as it is that Obi-Wan is a man of principles...principles that are larger than he is(like honoring commitments). So he can't just bend them willy-nilly for the sake of Anakin.

As for the portrayal of their relationship in TCW, I love it. You see their similarities, their differences, and how they deal with both.

 

I think their friendship is portrayed pretty well. It seems to be an extension of what was shown in the beginning of RotS. From AotC to TCW to RotS, there's a progression. From master and apprentice to friends to brothers and all the negatives and positives that come with it. They complement each other quite well, especially on TCW.

With the whole Obi-Wan chastising Anakin thing, I think it's a case of old habits dying hard. I'm 24 years old and have been living on my own since I got home from college. My mother and I are like best friends when we're out at a restaurant or talking on the phone, but when she comes to my apartment, she acts like I'm 16 years old again. I just sit there and go, "Yes, Mom, I know how to separate my laundry. Yes, Mom, I know to look through the peephole before I open the door. Yes, Mom, I know how to load the dishwasher." It's annoying, but I know my Mom means well and instead of telling her how annoying it is, I suck it up and just nod along. That's how I view Obi-Wan and Anakin.

I look forward to seeing their friendship grow as TCW continues. Unfortunately, it'll just make RotS that much more depressing.

 

I think it's pretty clear that Anakin and Obi-Wan are the ultimate team, and they both complement each other's weaknesses.

You read in Labyrinth of Evil and the ROTS novelization that Palpatine was very aware of Obi-Wan's overwhelmingly positive influence on Anakin, and that they needed to get Obi-Wan out of the way.

I can't help but think that things would have turned out differently had Mace Windu gone after Grievous on Utapau.


With respect to LawJedi, Obi-Wan and Anakin don't have the same relationship as Han and Luke. We need to see their teacher-student role, seem them as brothers, then see them try to kill each other.


With respect to TCW, I've mostly loved their portrayal. Taylor does a great job putting the right amount of exasperation in Kenobi's voice when dealing with Anakin's excesses.

One moment I loved in Blue Shadow Virus (or maybe it's the start of 1000 Moons), is when Anakin starts to lose it and says they can go after the cure for the virus themselves, and Obi-Wan says "I agree, Anakin". You can tell how much they care for each other.

In fact, I think Kenobi cared so much for Skywalker that he didn't tell the Council about Anakin's relationship with Padme, because he knew it was mostly a positive thing for his friend.

 

Agreed GM.

 

Not sure I see them as warm brotherly friends in this series. To me TCW Anakin and Obi-Wan seem like bickering partners who won't shut up. I don't get the impression that Obi-Wan has known Anakin since he was a boy, and the two don't seem to care about eachother anymore than any other Jedi. They just happen to work together more. Right now I think there's too much bickering and making light of dangerous situations (and Obi-Wan acting too pompous). I think the writers could stand to show they care for eachother more and that they have a history, without having Anakin and Obi-Wan make cocky jokes all the time.

 

I agree with that. Also, I noticed you're to be retiring soon. I hope you'll still be posting, cause I enjoy reading what you have to say.

 

There was way too much one-liner laden banter without any substance throughout a couple of Anakin and Obi Wan's dialogue exchanges in some of the earlier episodes.
But the show's has gotten better since. I can't wait for the 2nd Season.

 

Well then put in Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith.

 

Sorry LJ, not sure what you're saying there.

I think Lucas didn't give us enough: Anakin/Padme, Anakin/Obi-Wan, and Anakin/Palpatine.

 

XCell, I don't see it as bickering. I see it more like friendly banter. You've got these two friends trying to keep it light during stressful times.

Granted, I'd like to see more them engage in more of the serious conversations as well.

 

In ATOC they were always yelling at or about eachother. In ROTS their time together was short, so yes TCW is helping their relationship out.

 

Ha ha, you're the only person to notice my own little April Fool's joke.

 

I picture you flogging yourself like Paul Bettany in the Davinci Code, while staring at prequel posters. Daily.

 

It's true that I am an albino.

 

I dont get it

 

I think the relationship between Anakin and Obi-Wan has been portrayed really well in TCW. That moment in RotS when they were trying to rescue Palpatine was my favorite in that movie, and possibly in all the movies.