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Obi-Wan vs Jango - Hand-to-hand fighting?

Discussion in 'Prequel Trilogy' started by MattDoc, Jan 14, 2010.

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  1. MattDoc

    MattDoc Jedi Knight star 3

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    In the fight between Jango Fett and Obi-Wan Kenobi on Kamino in AOTC, I've been wondering why, when Obi-Wan lost his saber, did he resort to hand-to-hand combat?

    Why not throw a few force pushes, etc in there so he could keep his distance from an obviously dangerous foe? The Jedi push and pull the battle droids all of the time so one would think it would be ok to use it here too.
     
  2. Charn

    Charn Jedi Master star 8

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    short answer: it would make for a very quick and boring fight scene. And wouldn't move the story to where it needed to go.

    The point was for Jango to escape, leading Obi-Wan to Dooku. Having Obi-Wan defeat Jango with force pushes would have moved the story to stand still, or having Jango escape from a flush of force pushes would be difficult to film, let alone script.

     
  3. Darth_Noctis

    Darth_Noctis Jedi Youngling

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    Ewan McGregor was channeling his inner Daniel Craig.
     
  4. Darth_Laudrup

    Darth_Laudrup Jedi Master star 4

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    also I think Jango kept Obi-Wan so busy that Obi did not have the time to focus.
     
  5. Eternity85

    Eternity85 Jedi Master star 3

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    I think you are right. It seems to me that a Jedi or Sith`s ability to use the force during intense physical battle is diminished.
    Darth Maul did it once when he battled Obi Wan. But its not very common i think.

    It may also have something to do with Jangos armor. But im not sure what it might be.
     
  6. GrandAdmiral_Frank

    GrandAdmiral_Frank Jedi Padawan star 4

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    I say no to that one. I'd be interested in seeing Boba Fett and Han go at it round for round.
     
  7. Darth_Laudrup

    Darth_Laudrup Jedi Master star 4

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    I believe Boba would win.




    ... unless ofcourse Han was blind and armed with a stick. :p
     
  8. Go-Mer-Tonic

    Go-Mer-Tonic Jedi Youngling star 6

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    They try to make each one on one "duel" distinctive from one another, and they wanted to include sort of an "Indiana Jones" fisticuffs feel to this one.
     
  9. timmoishere

    timmoishere Force Ghost star 6

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    Hopefully, the next installment of the Family Guy Star Wars series will have an epic Peter/Giant Chicken fight over the Sarlacc Pit.
     
  10. MeBeJedi

    MeBeJedi Force Ghost star 6

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    The situation with Maul was different:

    Maul's a Force user, Jango is not. Remember Ben's and Anakin's Force pushes cancelling each other out (much like Yoda's and Palpatine's Force lightning cancelling each other out.)

    Ben didn't use the Force because, as Gomer said, Lucas didn't want Ben to use the Force. Simple as that.
     
  11. Darthbane2007

    Darthbane2007 Jedi Master star 4

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    The same reason He didn't use the force on Grievous, or why Aayla Secura, Shaak Ti, Ki-Adi-Mundi, Kruhk'k, and Taar Seir were bested by the same guy..
     
  12. MeBeJedi

    MeBeJedi Force Ghost star 6

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    I thought this duel was really cool. My only gripe was Ben being able to hang on to the metal wire, but other than that, this scene kicked ass beginning to end.
     
  13. Arawn_Fenn

    Arawn_Fenn Chosen One star 7

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    He did use the Force on Grievous.
     
  14. Darth_Laudrup

    Darth_Laudrup Jedi Master star 4

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    Yes he did, but not when he was hanging on the edge of the balcony thing.
     
  15. rechedelphar

    rechedelphar Jedi Master star 6

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    Plot Holes: Mace Windu can destroy entire droid armies with the force(clone wars acrtoons on Dantooine) and Obi-Wan can't use the force to help him even win the fight.

    Hey but at least Obi-Wan used that nifty force move to open the sliding door
     
  16. Darth_Laudrup

    Darth_Laudrup Jedi Master star 4

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    That Windu scene in the Clone Wars cartoon was stupid in my opinion. It was way too overpowered.
     
  17. MeBeJedi

    MeBeJedi Force Ghost star 6

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    ...or perhaps the Jedi in the movies were underpowered...
     
  18. MattDoc

    MattDoc Jedi Knight star 3

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    Don't get me wrong, I love the fight between Jango and Obi-Wan. This was just an observation from the last time I watched it. Not saying the fight would have been better with some force powers, just interesting that there weren't any. But as noted above, the frantic nature of the fight may not have allowed Kenobi to focus enough. I hadn't thought about that.
    Plus it was showing us how much Jango relies on his weapons and armor in battles, which ultimately becomes his downfall.
     
  19. Ree

    Ree Jedi Master star 5

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    Haha! [face_laugh]

    Maybe Obi-Wan is of the opinion that Force Push is a selfish and lazy power to use and is therefore part of the darkside :p
     
  20. Arawn_Fenn

    Arawn_Fenn Chosen One star 7

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    Lucas really should have taken the cartoon's depiction into account during the making of ANH, TESB, ROTJ, TPM, and AOTC. But he foolishly acted as though it didn't even exist.
     
  21. Jedi Gunny

    Jedi Gunny Chosen One star 9

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    Maybe Obi-Wan wanted to show off his wrestling skills? :p

    He was probably distracted enough so that he instinctively began to grapple with Jango without using the Force to push his foe away.
     
  22. Sith-Spitter01

    Sith-Spitter01 Jedi Youngling star 3

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    Mace Windu uses a special brand of swordplay and force usage distinct from Obi-Wan. His lightsaber style is Form VII which is the same style of lightsaber combat used by Darth Maul. Plus, he has the ability to spot the shatterpoints in objects, where he finds the sort of fault line in a being. Both of these can bring a user close to the darkside with misuse because they focus around attack and aggression. At least, that is my explanation for Windu fighting like he does in the Clone Wars.
     
  23. GGrievous

    GGrievous Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    However, that's Mace Windu we're talking about. haha
    I still consider him to be second best, only next to Yoda. While maybe Obi-Wan cannot use the Force to his advantage, Mace sure can. Throughout the prequels, we see Obi-Wan use the Force a couple of times (minus Mind Tricks, Force jumping, or sensing something). The only time I can think of right now is his duel with Grievous in ROTS.

    But when it comes to hand to hand fighting or fighting with a blaster, Obi-Wan is skilled with those. :p
     
  24. DarthBoba

    DarthBoba Manager Emeritus star 9 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    To be fair-Obi-Wan probably was using the Force when he went fist-to-fist with Jango. Think about it-he's punching a dude dressed in head-to-toe armor with his bare hands. I don't know about the rest of you guys, but I'm pretty sure I'd break my hand doing that. Also, he takes a pretty solid head-butt from Jango without it apparently bothering him very much-there's not even any bruises to be seen later on, let alone the broken nose/possible fractured skull he should have gotten.

    So, IMO, Obi-Wan was using the Force to make him physically stronger than he'd normally be, or at least, more immune to getting injured.
     
  25. GGrievous

    GGrievous Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    In ROTS, Obi-Wan injured himself after he kicked Grievous. So I can't see him use the Force to his advantage in a hand to hand duel against Jango. However, Obi-Wan did use the Force when he jumped and kicked Jango after losing his lightsaber.
     
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